Wearing Nike spikes, adidas' Gudaf Tsegay runs 14:49 5k at altitude 5k & destroys world record holder Letesenbet Gidey

Maybe she just forgot to pack her adidas spikes and had to borrow someone else's?

cbridge wrote:

She has been a 1’59/3’57 runner since 2016/2017- obviously world class. However, she is now a completely different runner. Something just doesn’t seem right.

Man, I hate being a hater, but I just don't believe she's clean. After watching her indoor record run I immediately thought there's no way she's clean. It just didn't look right. I hope I'm wrong, but I suspect that I'm not. If so i hope they catch up with her before more records are broken and medals are won.

Spike Lender wrote:

Maybe she just forgot to pack her adidas spikes and had to borrow someone else's?

Maybe. I sure hope not, that's terribly unprofessional.

My point still stands, though. adidas has been lagging behind for too long now, they need to get it in gear if they have any intention of staying in the game.

Drugs and lots of them. How many world records now in the past year...

Well, it looks very suspicious. If her age is accurate, which is not at all clear, she ran 4:02 1500m at 17 and sub-2 800m at 19, which are both prodigious results. She ran 3:54 in 2019. And I think that Gidey, who lost by 7 seconds, not ten, Rojo, may struggle a bit at altitude relative to her countrywomen. But this is an insane performance, worth 14:01 at sea level, and so we just may be seeing that sub 14 5000m on the women's side this year. Put Gidey and Tsegay out there with high quality pacers and who knows what will happen with these shoes and drugs, if they are using?

badidas wrote:

Bad look for adidas.

Your top female mid distance star and recent indoor WR smasher wearing the swoosh.

How does a $20bn company fall so so far behind?

It's not rocket science.. Jam as much mega lite foam as legally possible and source the correct shaped plate.

You're being so hard on them. They've only been making spikes for over 100 years. They're still working on it !

If it's any consolation to adidas, they're no easier to figure out than Nike and most/all other companies that sell running shoes/spikes.

As discussed in other threads, Nike's still working on their Peg Turbo and Streak replacements.....well after they took one or both off the market. Makes sense.

Standing by for smarty-pants "YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND MARKETING !!!" in three, two, one.........

The right hand photo is interesting in that it shows how potentially deceiving a single moment in time can be. If that was your only source of info, who would you think won by 10 seconds ??

Nikadi wrote:

rojo wrote:

https://twitter.com/angasurunning/status/1381313530960433158

The right hand photo is interesting in that it shows how potentially deceiving a single moment in time can be. If that was your only source of info, who would you think won by 10 seconds ??

True. I think all the posters harping on “she looked too easy,” “checking her watch without a care in the world” are probably way off the mark. That’s not to say I believe she’s clean, but I’m sure this effort was very hard for her. She’s clearly hurting in that second photo, and from personal experience the times when I’ve senselessly kept checking my watch near the end of a 5k were times when I was desperate for the race to be over.

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Nikadi wrote:

The right hand photo is interesting in that it shows how potentially deceiving a single moment in time can be. If that was your only source of info, who would you think won by 10 seconds ??

True. I think all the posters harping on “she looked too easy,” “checking her watch without a care in the world” are probably way off the mark. That’s not to say I believe she’s clean, but I’m sure this effort was very hard for her. She’s clearly hurting in that second photo, and from personal experience the times when I’ve senselessly kept checking my watch near the end of a 5k were times when I was desperate for the race to be over.

Oh but also don’t trust rojo’s math -

56.7 - 49.7 = 7.0

Insiders also knew that she didn't even have a proper adidas contract before her miraculous WR. Same for Kandie in the Half.

Just group blanket contracts from the exploiting agent / manager / human traffickers.

Check out her squeeky clean agent Senor Pineda in Ethiopia right now.

He was shopping her around brands this indoor season after that WR.

She wore the swooshy shoes to force adidas into paying a proper deal. They are hell bent on having top female talent for Tokyo and beyond. Their new brand mantra (like all brands) is Future Is Female.

Imagine Cheptugui, Kipchoge or other Nike WR holders wearing adidas shoes.

Or new indoor WR Mr Grant Holloway racing in Nike spikes next weekend...

Clearly would never happen unless there is contract disputes.... or the spikes are years behind like the shoddy adidas spikes are!

Armstronglivs wrote:

astro wrote:

So it was the shoes and not the massive amounts of EPO? LOL. That sport at this level is a farce.

I don't get the tendency here to quickly find unfair advantage in technology like shoes but to ignore or deny the well-established technology of doping.

Because you can SEE the shoe doping.

And all this on a cinder track??? They are peaking too early.

Few thoughts:

1) Tsegay's progression really isn't that crazy. Ignore the red herring that is where it was run, indoors. Indoors is just as fast as outdoors for the 800 up, this has been true for years. She ran 4-flat in 2016 at age 19. Just under 5 years later she's dropped 7 seconds...Do you think Shelby Houlihan's doping? She was a far less promising young athlete than Tsegay, running a 4:13 1500 at age 20.

2) Tough look for Adidas that she's using Nike spikes. But of course, Gidey was using them too and she crushed her. Gidey's not a big kicker and I've seen her kinda cruise it in when she's beat. So, I wouldn't be surprised if 7 seconds is a bit misleading.

3) Tsegay's take is her group just didn't do enough speed. It does seem in past years, she was running on pure strength in a way. She always went out super-hard, and held on for dear life with no kick:

https://www.worldathletics.org/news/feature/gudaf-tsegay-indoor-1500m-record-ethiopia

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Nikadi wrote:

The right hand photo is interesting in that it shows how potentially deceiving a single moment in time can be. If that was your only source of info, who would you think won by 10 seconds ??

True. I think all the posters harping on “she looked too easy,” “checking her watch without a care in the world” are probably way off the mark. That’s not to say I believe she’s clean, but I’m sure this effort was very hard for her. She’s clearly hurting in that second photo, and from personal experience the times when I’ve senselessly kept checking my watch near the end of a 5k were times when I was desperate for the race to be over.

Meh, watch the race for yourself; and then draw your conclusion.

Note that her manager is Pineda in Spain: Dibaba, Souileman (former Aden pupil), Tsegu (failed test), Fsiha (Euro cross champ- failed test), Kiptum (1/2 marathon wr- failed test), Mikhou (failed test), Naser (avoided test), Kisprio (failed test).

Athletes and coaches admit to using (legal) thyroid and asthma medication, but LRC will defend them to the death. They have no problem with athletes having used performance enhancing drugs before they are expressly prohibited. They don't mind if Christian Coleman misses three drug tests in a year, as long as he applies the backdating rule correctly.

But legal shoes that are faster than shoes used to be?! CHEATING!

Don't hand out gold medals yet Rojo - Hitting peak fitness four months before the Olympics can backfire big time.

*kisorio

Tsegay a doper and another disgrace to the sport. Just like the whole line of record holders at these distances. It is not that hard. Beat times set by other dopers. Associate with coaches and trainers who have a history of doping. Come out of a sport's environment were cheating has a green light. Dominates in a dope infested sport. Etc.

Personally I suspect everyone who successfully runs distance internationally of doping. It is a very dirty sport and the genie cannot be placed back in the bottle. There is a substance out there that is extremely hard to catch tat turns mules into race horses and everyone is going to use it. In cycling every pro rider down to the lowest domestique was doping.

The joke is no one really tries to defend cycling anymore. No one actually thinks anyone is clean, just uncaught, and fans are perfectly happy if their guy wins no matter what. So get over the fact that every record holding distance runner for the last 30 plus years has been doping to the gills.

If you are thinking along these lines, it's a joke to stop at 30+ years. And frankly it's a racist joke because many of the recent record-holders are of African descent. If this is your take, then for consistency the Brits, Viren all of them were blood doping, micro-dosing or using PEDs. 1:41 for an 800, absolute joke. 3:29 1500 come on now. Viren's doubles and triples, inhuman. And so on.