Your grasp of WW2 and Post WW2 history is exceedingly misinformed.
For instance Britain was horribly bombed by the Nazis. First the were terrorized by the German air force and near the end of the war with V2 rockets.
Pre war America was already supporting England with supplies and Britain had sent their prototype jet engine to the US to ensure that the technological development would continue in case Britain was overrun by the Germans.
Read a book or two.
Coevett wrote:
From all that I've read... wrote:
France pretended to fight for a few weeks, then surrendered - and for the most part, collaborated from that point forward.
England fought to the point of exhaustion of their populace and near-destruction of their economy, hastening the loss of their overseas colonies and resulting in 30+ years of austerity measures.
The WW II Museum in New Orleans is a great visit.
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At the end of the war, Churchill warned that a new 'Iron Curtain' was falling over Europe, but Roosevelt was having none of it. He actually saw Churchill as big a threat as Stalin.
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When you think of it, America's performance in the war and afterwards was pretty shameful. Britain was the only country that did the right thing from the start to the end (aside from the terror bombing of civilian targets, which the Americans were even more guilty of - nor were their civillians ever bombed by Germany or Japan).
Roosevelt was actually having none of anything by the end of the war in Europe. He had been dead about a month at that point.
You can also list Britain's refusal of entry for Jewish refugees as another exception to "doing the right thing".
CrispyChicken wrote:
A significant portion of France, including its colonial possessions, was allied with Germany and Japan.
The British invaded the French colony of Madagascar in WWII to prevent it from being used as a submarine base by the German and Japanese. The British and the Americans invaded French North Africa.
And sunk a big part of the French navy...
The French cooked the best food and made the best wine.
Regular soldiers can fight on ordinary food and beer, but they will always lose anyway if their officers have low morale. And top brass are elitists who are used to the finest dining standards.
That's why the Germans started by taking over France. They invaded the USSR to try to control the world's caviar supply.
I Played a Diplomat on TV wrote:
Your grasp of WW2 and Post WW2 history is exceedingly misinformed.
For instance Britain was horribly bombed by the Nazis. First the were terrorized by the German air force and near the end of the war with V2 rockets.
Pre war America was already supporting England with supplies and Britain had sent their prototype jet engine to the US to ensure that the technological development would continue in case Britain was overrun by the Germans.
Read a book or two.
Your reading of my post is horribly misinformed. I actually stated that the NAZIs bombed British civilians, as well as Guernica, Rotterdam, Warsaw etc.
I'm not sure that makes stuff like Dresden right.
It's also a historical fact that the RAF bombed German civilians before the Germans did likewise. Most historians agree Churchill was hoping to get a response and some relief from the Luftwaffe bombing of airfields which was coming close to knocking Britain out of the war. As I said, Germany had already bombed many cities in Europe, but it's a historical fact that at the start Hitler gave the Luftwaffe strict orders not to target civilians.
Even Churchill regretted Dresden. More civilians were killed in 2 or 3 hours in that one city than in the UK in the entire war. And the war was as good as over at that point.
So Britain gives the USA the jet engine ( as well as radar, the computer, the A-Bomb etc etc) and still has to pay ruinous debts to them for the next 50 years. Thanks buddies.
Yalta took place in February 1945 to discuss the post-war peace. The war had been virtually won at that point.
CrispyChicken wrote:
A significant portion of France, including its colonial possessions, was allied with Germany and Japan.
The British invaded the French colony of Madagascar in WWII to prevent it from being used as a submarine base by the German and Japanese. The British and the Americans invaded French North Africa.
They were only allied because the Germans had installed a puppet regime in Vichy which was notionally independent.
The French resistance was among the bravest in the Second World War, second only to the Czechs, and the Warsaw Uprising if you count that.
Not April Fools wrote:
Jeeze. All that killing and by the 1950s the US empires all evaporated in Africa, Asia, China, Middle East, Pacific. South East Asia liberation happened by 1975. What a waste.
The US empire was one of the shortest lived in history.
Coevett wrote:
It's also a historical fact that the RAF bombed German civilians before the Germans did likewise.
Just because you call something a "historical fact" does not make it so. Ironically, I was just reading about the Battle of Britain a couple days ago. The first bombs dropped on civilians were by Germany but not on purpose. Hitler did not order it but it happened anyway. Churchill felt the attack was ordered by Hitler and ordered a retaliation on Berlin the next night. Hitler, completely unaware of the bombs dropped on London, felt Churchill had ordered an unprovoked attack on Berlin and consequently ordered strikes on London.
The West Point Military History Series: The Second World War: Europe and the Mediterranean p.78:
From the outset of the battle, Hitler's crews had the strictest instructions not to engage in terror attacks ... On the other side, the British Bomber Command also was very much against terror raids ... But this tacit arms control agreement, such as it was, came to an end on the night of August 24, quite by accident. On the twenty-fourth of August, a Luftwaffe bomber crew was briefed to make a night attack on an airfield slightly to the south of London. Normally, the London area was one of the few where night navigation was not a serious problem. The Thames flows through the center of town in such a way that the metropolis is practically unmistakable, even at night. But that night the weather was marginal and a mistake was made; the bombs fell on the city rather than on the airfield. Naturally, the crew did not report it because they thought that they had bombed the designated target. Churchill ordered the Bomber Command to retaliate against the German capital on the very next night. Those interpretations which suggest that he did this specifically to draw the Luftwaffe off of the Fighter Command are exaggerated and give the Prime Minister credit for wisdom which was even greater than that which he did possess. The leaders of the Bomber Command were opposed to the idea, but the Prime Minister insisted; the mission was launched as ordered. ... The damage was minimal and the casualties light. Yet the psychological impact was very considerable. Goering was made to appear a fool. He had long boasted that Germany was invulnerable to air attack. ... Hitler was supposed to have been enraged. There was no way for him to know that the Berlin attack had been a retaliation, so it was easy to assume that the British had committed an unprovoked "atrocity." In a speech at the Sportspalast on September 4, he promised he would retaliate for the bombing of German cities with the total annihilation of the British metropolis. This, then, was one of the important reasons for the decision to bomb London.
Your statement that the performance of the United States was "shameful" is laughable. Without the US entering the war, the ultimate result would have been the fall of Britain. What saved them was two disastrous decisions that bookmarked the six months from June to December 1941; Hitler's decision to launch Operation Barbarossa and Japan's decision to attack Pearl Harbor. Without the need to divert millions of Soldiers and Airmen to Russia, Germany could have solidified it's hold on the mainland continent and left Britain completely isolated. Being an island would have saved them from invasion for a while but left them vulnerable to suffocation by U-boat blockade. ULTRA would help negate the air superiority of the Luftwaffe but only for so long.
If Hitler had the patience to wait and the US did not intervene on Britain's side, it would have fallen to invasion. With control of France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Norway, Germany would have been able to launch an invasion from any direction or from multiple directions.
My parents grew up during WWII - one German one British. The lack of knowledge about the major facts regarding the war is mind blowing to me. We can quibble over details, but to suggest The Allies weren’t a force (for example) is insane. There is so much information about the war out there. I wish people would educate themselves rather than publicly expose their lack of education.