Terrance MF Laird 19.81 WIND LEGAL

It takes less than fifteen minutes of research to see the contrary perspective. Grant Holloway won the indoor 2019 NCAA 60m dash and 60m hurdles, placed third in the long jump and ran on the 4x4. He went on to break the collegiate record in the hurdles in the spring. Then, though he did not show his best form until the moment, he went on to win the gold medal in Doha in the 110H hurdles against the defending Olympic champion and many others. Grant is a freak athlete but he demonstrated that it is totally doable - Laird has much less on his plate as a 100/200/maybe 4x4 guy than Grant did as a jumper, sprinter, and hurdler.

gfifihogggj wrote:

He probably hit top speed of 43k/h.

It’s interesting how cyclists do everything in their power to be aero, in order to save watts. However, in running, there does not seem to be the same obsession. Any cyclist knows that when you get above 38k/h, being aero become quite important.

In cycling, shaving legs saves approx 15w, shaving arms is approx 4w.

Clearly, Laird should cut/shave his head. There is surely 0.02 to 0.04 right there.

I'd be curiouis to know what this means

Not bad but... wrote:

It's NCAAs. Was he tested? I doubt it...

I don't want to be cynical, but I find NCAA results hard to take seriously until they start testing like pros. There's a reason NCAA sprinters often fall of the face of the earth once they leave college

Speculate all you want, but the loss of the team environment and the overall support one gets in a college program is a big reason a lot of college phenoms have trouble improving or even replicating their performances. One goes from having all the support, facilities, coaches, and teammates they need to figuring out most of it on their own with a limited pro contract. It's not exactly the smoothest transition.

That is a LEGIT take.

Ok7272 wrote:

gfifihogggj wrote:

He probably hit top speed of 43k/h.

It’s interesting how cyclists do everything in their power to be aero, in order to save watts. However, in running, there does not seem to be the same obsession. Any cyclist knows that when you get above 38k/h, being aero become quite important.

In cycling, shaving legs saves approx 15w, shaving arms is approx 4w.

Clearly, Laird should cut/shave his head. There is surely 0.02 to 0.04 right there.

I'd be curiouis to know what this means

19 watts (15w+4w) is huge in cycling. It’s the difference between doing 40k in 60min vs 40k in 58:30 for example

Not sure how many Watts he is losing with that hair, but it’s not insignificant I am sure. He is reaching speeds where aero matters

gfifihogggj wrote:

He probably hit top speed of 43k/h.

It’s interesting how cyclists do everything in their power to be aero, in order to save watts. However, in running, there does not seem to be the same obsession. Any cyclist knows that when you get above 38k/h, being aero become quite important.

In cycling, shaving legs saves approx 15w, shaving arms is approx 4w.

Clearly, Laird should cut/shave his head. There is surely 0.02 to 0.04 right there.

Aerodynamics mean more in cycling because those speeds are sustained for a longer duration. Like an hour in a TT vs 20 seconds.

Runner10287 wrote:

gfifihogggj wrote:

He probably hit top speed of 43k/h.

It’s interesting how cyclists do everything in their power to be aero, in order to save watts. However, in running, there does not seem to be the same obsession. Any cyclist knows that when you get above 38k/h, being aero become quite important.

In cycling, shaving legs saves approx 15w, shaving arms is approx 4w.

Clearly, Laird should cut/shave his head. There is surely 0.02 to 0.04 right there.

Aerodynamics mean more in cycling because those speeds are sustained for a longer duration. Like an hour in a TT vs 20 seconds.

No

Same math applies for 1min effort, 5min effort, 20min effort and one hour effort

For 1 min effort. The 19w saving is worth 1.5s. Huge...

paris2024hawk wrote:

No his indoor PR does not necessarily suggest the time he ran, but he has been capable of a 19.8x for two years he's ran a windy 19.64 in 2019(which covers to 19.84). He likely can run a tenth faster as he had no competition, he appeared to ease up slightly, and its the beginning of outdoor he may not be in peak shape.

He may not run faster but I can see him running 19.70 with a few more races.

I like this view, a bit, too.

Seeing him and Boling face off for conference AND NCAAs is gonna be a legit treat. They should both be rearing to go for those races, for sure.

What they have left for the trials may be up for debate, though. It's not unreasonable to question whether EITHER of them will have much left all the way through rounds then to the trials final after a season of fighting each other for conference and national titles. That ISN'T to say it's impossible. But you have to wonder how any system/plan, no matter how nuanced, could ask ANY runner to make it through their conferences, regionals, AND nationals....and THEN be ready to access their most "important" effort at the trials FINAL after rounds with VETS, not just their peers. Those are practically all lined up in a row. Burnout would seem to be inevitable.

A sacrifice or two would also seem to be needed. Like maybe conference takes a back seat or something, or maybe skipping a 200m at conference entirely? Seems absurd, but aiming for a full/peaked effort at the trials might require that kind of thinking. Would either program, or runner, be willing to do that? With Georgia's search for points with Boling, I'm feeling like no. Maybe LSU and their history will make them more willing to make such moves? I dunno, it all remains to be seen.

QUESTION: Why was not the Bolling kid in this race?

*grabs popcorn*

wazzu1452 wrote:

QUESTION: Why was not the Bolling kid in this race?

*grabs popcorn*

ANSWER: Georgia wasn't at the meet.

*Empties your popcorn in the trash*

Thanks

When is the next time they race outdoors? That will be something.

*refills popcorn*

wazzu1452 wrote:

QUESTION: Why was not the Bolling kid in this race?

*grabs popcorn*

Lol what a dumb question.

Grant Holloway won the 110H because the Jamaican hurdler ran into Ortega. If he did not obstruct him, Ortega would have won the gold. For your Holloway, I raise you Sha'carri Richardson and Michael Norma who bath ran world class times that would have seen them medal at Worlds. But were nowhere to be found come Worlds. As Ato Bolden continues to state, NCAA athletes run on fumes come global championships.

Divine Oduduru of course being another perfect example for your argument.

I'm with you on the subject. Though, to be fair, being an NCAA runner doesn't STRAIGHT preclude you from pulling it off, but that means making choices (like cutting workload/comp choices, etc.). I think you've acknowledged this, of course, just highlighting that point again for completeness.

JumpsDoctor wrote:

It takes less than fifteen minutes of research to see the contrary perspective. Grant Holloway won the indoor 2019 NCAA 60m dash and 60m hurdles, placed third in the long jump and ran on the 4x4. He went on to break the collegiate record in the hurdles in the spring. Then, though he did not show his best form until the moment, he went on to win the gold medal in Doha in the 110H hurdles against the defending Olympic champion and many others. Grant is a freak athlete but he demonstrated that it is totally doable.

Grant Holloway won the 110H because the Jamaican hurdler ran into Ortega. If he did not obstruct him, Ortega would have won the gold. For your Holloway, I raise you Sha'carri Richardson and Michael Norma who bath ran world class times that would have seen them medal at Worlds. But were nowhere to be found come Worlds. As Ato Bolden continues to state, NCAA athletes run on fumes come global championships.[/quote]

Divine Oduduru of course being another perfect example for your argument.

I'm with you on the subject. Though, to be fair, being an NCAA runner doesn't STRAIGHT preclude you from pulling it off, but that means making choices (like cutting workload/comp choices, etc.). I think you've acknowledged this, of course, just highlighting that point again for completeness.[/quote]

Ah yes, I forgot Oduduru. For quite some time he had the best 100M in the world, didn't he? He wasn't even in the semis at Worlds in 2019... At least I don't recall seeing him.

I'm too lazy to look, but I could swore he (Oduduru) ended up running something like a 10.3 in the first round of the '19 Worlds. It would certainly appear he was TOAST, but I have no intimate knowledge of what happened between NCAAs and Worlds for him. So maybe there's some nuance to his story.

Regardless, he's a classic example.

Strange coming from a man who won the NCAA's in 1996 before going on two Olympic bronze medals in the same year (9.90PR, 19.80PR).

LDoc wrote:

NYDCRunner1 wrote:

Grant Holloway won the 110H because the Jamaican hurdler ran into Ortega. If he did not obstruct him, Ortega would have won the gold. For your Holloway, I raise you Sha'carri Richardson and Michael Norma who bath ran world class times that would have seen them medal at Worlds. But were nowhere to be found come Worlds. As Ato Bolden continues to state, NCAA athletes run on fumes come global championships.

Strange coming from a man who won the NCAA's in 1996 before going on two Olympic bronze medals in the same year (9.90PR, 19.80PR).

Perhaps he's the best person to make the claim given he has gone through the grind.

How long until he continues the great American sprinting tradition of copping a doping violation?