Katelyn Tuohy 24th!

ACCs looking good wrote:

ACC had a strong recruiting class this year.

I don't know, I think Alabama showed it would be smart to have recruited a couple of Kenyan runners as well.

Actually her coach said she was still limited in running at least until November. First sign I saw of her training again was January. So it was a pretty significant training disruption. And I imagine they increased the training load only slowly from there. From her track races she was clearly still regaining her fitness, and looked much better in her 1200m DMR leg.. But whatever. She had a very good performance. First XC race she has run since 2019 and an NCAA all-American.

Mantz was out all last spring with a stress fracture and he won today. I think that it really only takes about 6 months of training to get to 99% of potential if a runner was previously fit. And that proved correct today based on him and the runners that you mentioned.

I find it surprising that Tuohy seemed to perform better on a difficult 6km xc course than on a 3km flat track as well...but I don't think she was comfortable running in the pack at Indoors. She really hasn't had a lot of experience doing it for several years. Normally she has been in the front of virtually every race.

I guess we will get a better idea during outdoor season what kind of shape she is in.

But running this well after surgery (apparantly) is really promising.

I am actually more impressed with Amaris Tyynismaa. She had run phenomenally well early in her hs career. Seemed to have dropped off the face of the earth and then finished 3rd overall in this race.

Kev2 wrote:

I am actually more impressed with Amaris Tyynismaa. She had run phenomenally well early in her hs career. Seemed to have dropped off the face of the earth and then finished 3rd overall in this race.

yes, not sure what happened, 27th in SEC in the Fall, now 3rd today following some great Indoor time

Okay, so the Brojos were RIPPING on Touhy a few podcast ago after she ran a 9:19 3k several weeks back. Fast forward to this weekend, she ran the 1200m lead off leg on an all-american DMR team then comes back 3 days later over 6k at XC Nationals and placed 24th (All-American again) to help her team finish 2nd. All after coming back from a serious knee injury. Fantastic freshman campaign and outdoor hasn't even started. I realize people have insane expectations for her, but this is undoubtedly a step in the right direction for her.

FastTuohy wrote:

bak wrote:

She has been running since at least September - how much longer do they continue to mention she lost time due to injury -i would guess a lot of the top 40 lost some time due to injury since last June - byu girl said she only trained for 5 weeks for this race. Tuohy has been running for at least 7 months? It would be different if xc nationals were in November

Tuohy had the 25th fastest 3,000 (more like 38th if you neglect the flat track correction) in the NCAA this year, and looked bad doing it, and somehow gets 24th on the tough 6K course?

Orton was the best in the NCAA, then took maybe 1-2 months off, and got back to this point. Tuohy basically took June to October off, then started training at a low volume level.

They both did well today.

Well that answers the question. When you haven't raced in forever and you're coming off a major injury you make fitness gains much quicker in a given time frame than someone who might've ran XC in the fall and/or had completely uninterrupted training. Especially if you're talented, which she is.

Unfortunately the people that comment on this sport for a living tend to be idiots.

Was it a serious injury or major injury? I thought the consensus was that she didn't even require surgery. Obviously none of you have had serious injuries if you think this qualifies. I was in a car accident and sustained serious injuries. I think she had a common running injury requiring 6 months off.

Kudos to her! That’s a great race considering how much of a struggle this year has been for her. All American as a freshman is no joke!

It was a serious enough knee issue that she had to stop running in March, 2020 and was in rehab all summer and serious enough that she was still limited in running until at least December. And she was clearly still trying to regain fitness when she ran the 3000m races a few weeks back.

In an interview she described it as knee inflammation and I had written off the surgery rumor, then I heard the broadcaster say she did have surgery. Not sure if the broadcaster had real info or was just repeating the internet rumors, but it is possible and I have no inside info.

nau smartypants wrote:

Was it a serious injury or major injury? I thought the consensus was that she didn't even require surgery. Obviously none of you have had serious injuries if you think this qualifies. I was in a car accident and sustained serious injuries. I think she had a common running injury requiring 6 months off.

I think in the context of running a “serious injury” constitutes an injury where you have to take a significant amount of time off. No “just easy running” and maybe not even cross training. Basically having to take so much time off you are going to lose most of your fitness.

When I tore my hamstring a year ago I lost my ability to run completely and walked with a limp. I didn’t get better until late June. As far as my running career goes I’d say it was very serious. Day to day life? Not so much. Walking up and down stairs sucked but was doable.

Incidentally if 6 months of training is required to regain 99% of lost fitness, how much does three months get you?

If she hadn't followed that hot pace early, I bet she would've nabbed Top 20.

Decent result, particularly considering her injury. Nothing bad to say about it, except that from the GOAT HS runner, if she were fully healthy, I would hope she would be Top 5 or 10 as a freshman.

I have had IT band, achilles, hamstring, and knee injuries through the years that required 6 months off. I would never call those serious injuries. I was in an accident that that required surgery and more than a year off. I had serious injuries. I had one of my runners slip on the ice and sustain a compound fracture 2 years ago and have a plate put in. That was serious. I have truly never heard someone describe a typical running injury as a serious injury if it is not accute and only requires time and no surgery in order to heal and I have been involved in the sport for a long time.

BYU will win next year too.....Hutchins....

3 months is probably around 95%. Many college guys take a break after XC and then start indoor meets on 6 weeks of training hitting 4:10 in the mile. 6 weeks later they hit 4:05 on 3 months of training and then 2 months later they run 3:45.

You seem to have a highly skewed view of things, but Ok. Geez, three months to gain a measly 4%.