Congrats to Boling: destroys 200 field - 20.19!!

Oh my god, you're legitimately still a troll. You just try to hide it a little more than you used to.

Devin Quinn:

100m: 10.01 (+1.3)

200m: 20.31 (+2.0)

There's nothing to even debate. One is clearly superior to the other (hint, hint, THE 100). How can you remotely try to hide yourself as anything but a delusional troll? Quinn is a better 100 than 200 guy, and as a pro I doubt he'll pursue the 200 much at all, outside of training purposes.

flying deutschman wrote:

Boling wins NCAA 200. PB & fantastic time of 20.19. Beats Laird, Harris & company.

Looking forward to outdoors.

called it back at the SEC but he didnt get it done in the finals then, but you could see it for sure in the prelims...but you cant say i didnt call it!

Meh. wrote:

Oh my god, you're legitimately still a troll. You just try to hide it a little more than you used to.

Devin Quinn:

100m: 10.01 (+1.3)

200m: 20.31 (+2.0)

There's nothing to even debate. One is clearly superior to the other (hint, hint, THE 100). How can you remotely try to hide yourself as anything but a delusional troll? Quinn is a better 100 than 200 guy, and as a pro I doubt he'll pursue the 200 much at all, outside of training purposes.

As a white guy who ran 10.64 and 21.43 (neither are special at all), I'm taking interest in your debate with Whatley.

Correct me if I'm wrong here... go back, let's say 50 years to every Olympic 100m and 200m final, and tally up how many white men were in the 100m and 200m. Which event had more 'white' representation, and which event has had the highest 'success' rate for those white sprinters. This seems pretty simple.

First off I said.....most the time.....did ya miss that? Dude, you really can't tell I love track. I don't troll, everything I say is based on all those years of following this stuff, how you get troll.....??????

You told me Quinn .....is NOT a 200 guy.....dude, he runs the 200m, now ya feel silly don't ya?

Dude, what about this don't you get, just look at all time lists, look at medals won in majors, hell, we first noticed Boling because of his 100m prowess, where is he now?

I am a legit track, football, music, boxing, rasslin'. sci fi, geek/freak/nerd/historian, what I'm not is some troll, ok guy?

I won't rattle off all those examples of white sprinters better at 200, doubt you;d get it.

And congrats to Boling.

Stud.

Whatley, are you 'Brutal' of old sub-10 days?

I see you get it, as does everyone who knows sprinting. Thank You!

Yes I am. so......a troll.....hahaha!!!!!

Maaaannnn, the 'old days'! hahaha

Made my night! Keep it up!

Well thank you sir, appreciate that.

i miss sub10, that was a trip.

No prob. Some posters in the interwebs just stick with you.

Those were my college years, and I learned a lot on that board. I appreciate it... keep it up!

It was a photo finish! He had to wait for confirmation to even know he won the race. Tough to say you destroyed the field when it's not even clear you've one until video confirmation.

It's like routing a team in a basketball game by beating them in triple overtime on a buzzer shot. Not exactly the way most people think of things

Tortu ran 9.99 in a +0.2 wind. So I dunno. If its low 9.99, like 9.990 could that convert to 9.999 with a +0.2 wind?

Whatley wrote:

Well thank you sir, appreciate that.

i miss sub10, that was a trip.

My assertion that he (Quinn) wasn't a 200m guy was based on the concept that he's a better 100 METER guy than a 200 METER guy. Which is the basis of our discussion.

I wonder. If one were to ask Devin Quinn what his aim is this year, would the 200m would even be on his radar right now? Specifically in regards for something like making the US team this year. I'm guessing he's 100m or bust. If that's not the mark of a guy who is a 100 meter guy OVER being a 200m guy, then I don't know what is. Someone interview Quinn and see.

Ultimately, you consistently post that white sprinters should inherently aim for the 200 meter over the 100 because they succeed better over 200 meters than 100 meters. Is Quinn simply an outlier to you, then? Tou want "examples " of which you'll retort on a 4 to 1 basis?

Ok then.

Matt Shirvington:

100m: 10.03 (-0.1)

200m: 20.45 (+1.9)

**100m superior**

Richard Kilty:

100m: 10.01 (+1.9)

200m: 20.39 (+1.0)

**100m superior**

Lucas Jakubczyk

100m: 10.07 (+1.5)

200m: 20.81 (-0.8)

**100m superior**

Angelos Pavlakakis

100m: 10.11 (+1.4)

200m: DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A 200m REGISTERED ON WORLD ATHLETICS.

**100m superior**

Aristotelis Gavelas

100m: 10.14 (+2.0)

200m: 21.09 (likely no wind gauge)

**100m superior**

Christoforos Choides

100m: 10.14 (+0.3)

200m: 21.37 (+0.0)

**100m superior**

Andrey Yepishin

100m: 10.10 (+1.3)

200m: 21.22 (+1.9)

**100m superior**

Ronald Desruelles

100m: 10.02 (+1.2)

200m: 20.66 (likely no wind gauge)

**100m superior**

For some quick context, look at a guy like Pietro Mennea. He has a 100m PR of 10.01 at altitude from 1979. I didn't do the full dive, but he appears to have NO other results beyond fairly consistent 10.15ish type results throughout the '79 season, and some spotty sub 10.2 ability throughout his career. The 10.01, especially in 1979, implies that he was a 100/200 guy who was just exceedingly better at the 200 than the 100.

Consistent mid-to-high 10.1s and low 10.2s, even for 1979, imply that he was just l inherently NOT as talented over 100 meters than he was over 200 and that the 10.01 was a clear anomaly beyond only the altitude. So, he kind of looks like a Noah Lyles (at least up till now in the case of Lyles, and if his start history is any indication...it's not really gonna change much).

At least in the 200 he still had a sub 20 outside of his altitude 19.72. As far as I k ow he has nothing faster than a 10.15 in the 100m except for a 9.99 run with a friggin +7 wind.

Guys like that, it could be argued, are more 2/4 guys. But outside of a Michael Johnson, that's just a hard double to deal with. Even Norman is balking at that prospect, and is now talking about moving down to the 100 at some point! I presume most just say screw it and do the move down to the 100 and bank hard on winning their respective 200 titles. Thus taking what they may or may not get over 100 and preserving their 200 freshness, which even Allyson Felix has done at times despite her 400m achievements.

It should be noted that while the 100m guys I mentioned above were not necessarily medal threats in any of their eras, they were at least the 100m ability of (if not clearly superior) someone like Mennea over 100 meters. Mennea, of course, he being one used as a strong primary example of why "whites inherently can have more success over 200 than 100".

To me, Mennea is an example of skill sets, likely unrelated to "race". No one points to Lyles and says "well black people just can't run 100 meters". Now...I GET IT, in response to that all you have to do is point to Hayes, Hines, Lewis, Greene, blah, blah, blah. That's fine.

But, was Alan Wells an INHERENTLY a better 200 guy than 100? 10.11/20.21...sounds a like a push to me?

Was Bobby Morrow a flat out better 200 guy than 100 guy? Hell, I've read up about him a little bit, but his era is so different that it's hard to say. To ME, his 100 numbers look BETTER than his 200 in comparison to each other. And what about Armin Hary? 10 flat hand looks inordinately better than 20.5, to be frank, and he didn't even compete over 200 at his 1960 olympics. Sounds to me....like it wasn't worth his while. Because he was a 100 guy and not a 200 guy. Hmm....

I dunno, man. If you want hide behind the "I said most of the time" thing, then go ahead. But you consistently imply that white guys can really only cut it over 200 meters and shouldn't bother over 100, I remember it even from years ago. To me, though, it's selective reasoning, and from a culture/training point of view its really damaging to push because of what you might lose out as a result of it.

If I theoretically had some talented fast white youths under my council, I would judge them not on preconceived notions but rather on a nuanced view of their SKILL SETS. I wouldn't just tell them "Eh. Bad starter, good finisher, let's just keep training you for the 200...maybe even the 400....don't worry about the 100, you're white anyway. We should probably not lean too hard in the weight room, might bulk you up too much. Your start wont improve anyway...I mean white men cant jump, AMIRITE lil Tommy? Lols. Ok, go eat your supper and say your prayers kiddo."

Under your view, I feel like if Bolt had been white you would have urged him to NEVER run the 100 and either stay as a 200 specialist or become a 2/4 guy. In fact, Bolts early career was trending in that direction, was it not? Even a skill set can be deceptive, you have to let the ATHLETE show what he is, and stop boxing him in. That goes for all white guys who want to sprint as well as tall black jamaicans who want to run the 100 and short white dudes who want to hoop, etc, etc, etc.

Maltese! wrote:

Meh. wrote:

What constitutes a "sprinter of merit"?

I'm not going to go through the list the way you say to, because I think stacks the deck in anecdotal way. Mostly I take what your saying as an absolute, which in itself is a recipe for a false premise.

Devin Quinn. He's happening NOW. Hes a 100m guy. He's NOT a 200 guy. He may well become the first white guy (that I know of) to go sub 10 basic this year.

Tortu ran 9.99 in a +0.2 wind. So I dunno. If its low 9.99, like 9.990 could that convert to 9.999 with a +0.2 wind?

Filippo Tortu. Good catch. But that was likely at altitude, probably worth a 10.02 in basic, give or take a hundredth. Though all the results dont attribute it with the "A" for altitude, so I duno. Considering all his 10.0x results, he's likely a very low 10.0x basic guy. Pretty good, but it looks like hes stagnated a little bit.

BUT.

Another good example of a white guy better over 100 than 200. Whatley.

9.99 +0.2

20.34 +0.6

**100m superior**

Not sure what happened with Stiener in the 60. I think she has run a 7.20 this season, so her 7.38 was way off. She might be better at 400 than 60 eventually. I think she split a 51.7 with a rough tactical race in the 4x4. Couldn't get past the other runners and ran almost the whole thing in 2/3,

Now that is more like it, ya took some time and did some homework, bravo!!!!!

Bottom line is accomplishments/success, remember my song n' dance is being more successful.

It is pushin' 10pm on the west coast as I type this, what I plan on bringing will take some time, something I really don't have right now. I will be back tomorrow, this is going to be fun, see ya later!

I don't really care who runs a 20 something 200, even indoors, or if they were a white guy or not, or if said white guy runs a better 200 than 100.

But I do want to know why Boling's left arm action got so wonky around the 2nd turn. It looked like he was almost flapping it sideways and it was barely moving behind him. Did that help or hurt him?

it's time wrote:

Lol. Precisely. Boling haters are quiet today.

While there are legitimate boling haters many simply dislike that boling gets the most attention even when he is outperformed, some people were saying let him win something first now he has won a big meet so they have nothing to say.

To put it simply very few people dislike boling most dislike his fans, I have not many insults directed at boling but I do see a lot of criticism towards his fans.

Everyone has haters though and it's best to just ignore them