The tides seem to be shifting in Dudek's favor over Tuohy. You nailed it with that statement that it is the long term upside that you care about.
The tides seem to be shifting in Dudek's favor over Tuohy. You nailed it with that statement that it is the long term upside that you care about.
Well, 9:19 is nothing to scoff at as a FR in college.. there have only been a dozen or so that fast.
lover of tin wrote:
The tides seem to be shifting in Dudek's favor over Tuohy. You nailed it with that statement that it is the long term upside that you care about.
Dudek is off to a great start. Anyone know if Stanford is running indoors? Any track times yet?
It's been a crazy season, how do her cross-country times compare on the national scene?
It's always tough to predict, there's so many factors that could influence things. Could anybody really see Schweizer coming from nowhere to set American records? Are most of these Runners focused on becoming froze or are they going to transition to focusing on other careers?
I will mention that Katelyn Tuohy was only 50th as an eighth grader nxn and then she went on to win 3 in a row as an upperclassman. Could she have another big-time Improvement like that on a Collegiate level? Or will another Runner we're not even thinking about have that kind of improvement as a college Runner?
lover of tin wrote:
The tides seem to be shifting in Dudek's favor over Tuohy. You nailed it with that statement that it is the long term upside that you care about.
Good lord, it's absolutely pathetic that you keep trying to promote Dudek by trying to throw shade at Tuohy. Using the multiple logon's is such a bad look. Dudek is a great runner...nobody is questioning that.
Time will tell who has the better College career...personally, I hope the both do well. Tuohy looked good coming back from injury. Dudek looks solid so far. Also a ton of other talented young women out there (Starliper, Hart, Chmiel etc etc). The talent level is through the roof right now....and with Thorvaldson and Hutchins coming up, the competition should be incredible for the next several years.
The fact that Tuohy had the best HS XC career ever earned her an interested fan base...that benefits every young female racer! Sorry that point bothers you.
All right to things
One is senior year there's no argument that Katelyn Tuohy had the better year
I'm not arguing that it didn't look like Dudek was on a big upswing while Tuohy was clearly running slower than she had
But facts are facts! Katelyn Tuohy was undefeated and only had one close race, while running against better competition
She also have way higher speed ratings all year, not even close
Dudek had a great season but she lost a race and then had two or three races she barely won.
I kind of like the multiple logins, shows you're dedicated, everything else I agree with Jed
Alright second Point
There's no way any of these young phenoms are going to run a 9:30 2 Mile anytime soon
Hey I'd love to see an amazing thing but there's no way they are running 9:30 or even coming close to approaching 9:20 for a 2 Mile
Mary Cain ran a 938 2 Mile and around the same time ran a 424 mile. Freaking 424
Think about how incredible 424 is compared to high school girls history of running
Anyway there's no way you're coming close to a 9:30 2 mile as a 4:40 miler. Most of these girls not even consistently break 4:45 for mile but yet they're going to do 2 miles at that pace
So I mentioned it because I've been thinking about how crazy Mary Cain was for being able to run a 4 24 Mile.
It's probably the greatest High School athletic achievement. It would be like a guy running a 3:45 Mile in high school
And I mean it kind of shows the level you got to be at and she ran a 938 2 Mile
Nobody is taking Cain's 800 or mile down, but Hutchins' 15:34 has to convert close to 9:30.
According to this converter 15:35 for 5,000 is 9:00 for 3,000 for females or ~9:40 for 2 miles
Seniors only I guess, but perhaps might apply to young aerobic runners
Dude Perfect wrote:
Nobody is taking Cain's 800 or mile down, but Hutchins' 15:34 has to convert close to 9:30.
It doesn't. That's the thing! It doesn't convert to anything close to a 9:30 2 Mile. Not even the same ballpark,
It would convert to a 9:45 and that's if you're mile time is pretty good in comparison
Until someone can run a 4:30 mile, they're not going to be coming close to a 9:30 2 mile
Anyway, I mean it's possible, if someone improves a lot they could come close. Honestly I'd rather be rooting for them
But at some point if you're just throwing out numbers especially when it was like three girls
I mean Sydney thorvaldson just ran a 10:20 3200. Granted she doubled in the miles so it was still really impressive but it's not easy to have some crazy Peak Performance
according to this 15:35 is equivilent to 9:43 2 mile in points
keepin it real wrote:
Dude Perfect wrote:
Nobody is taking Cain's 800 or mile down, but Hutchins' 15:34 has to convert close to 9:30.
It doesn't. That's the thing! It doesn't convert to anything close to a 9:30 2 Mile. Not even the same ballpark,
It would convert to a 9:45 and that's if you're mile time is pretty good in comparison
Until someone can run a 4:30 mile, they're not going to be coming close to a 9:30 2 mile
Anyway, I mean it's possible, if someone improves a lot they could come close. Honestly I'd rather be rooting for them
But at some point if you're just throwing out numbers especially when it was like three girls
I mean Sydney thorvaldson just ran a 10:20 3200. Granted she doubled in the miles so it was still really impressive but it's not easy to have some crazy Peak Performance
and you won't run 4:30 in hs unless you can get well under 2:10 for 800. Tuohy ran 2:09 and 4:33 - and though she is not fast (in 400) she was probably faster than most of these other girls, maybe not Dudek.
Those converters tend to be overly generous. Run it down and I bet you it shows mile times and 800m times that these distance oriented high school girls can not hit. Tuohy was able to hit a 209 800. 434 mile. 950 2 Mile. 1537 5K. I guess my point is the more impressive times are the greater distance times and that kind of holds for most of these Runners so, I would expect their shorter distance times to be less and less impressive
Usually the two mile and 5K times for girls are little more impressive than their mile time in comparison to boys. Because I think it takes a little bit more of an aerobic base for a girl to be able to run a fast mile. But obviously things can vary from Runner to Runner
But I pretty much agree that you would need big time Improvement in the mile time to be hitting a really fast 2 mile time like 9:30.
It's funny I was thinking, you don't really see a lot of fast mile times on the girls side
Or you don't really see a lot of girls whose mile time is their best time
Seems like you have a lot of girls who are really good at the 800. A thing Miu, Willis, Sammy Watson
And then you have a lot of girls who are really good at the 2-mile. And some of them can run fast miles but
I guess there was also Alexa efraimison... her and Mary Cain we're really the only super fast mile times, 1500 m. Times
Still think Mary Kane's 424 is crazy in comparison to the fact that most fast mile times are like 437 439.
The whole Dudek vs Tuohy thing is ridiculous. They're both going to be good. Tuohy, physically, still looks like a little kid rather than a young woman. With females, it is always hard to tell what will become of their talent as they mature but I would like to believe that Tuohy still has plenty of upsides. People are talking as if she is done and has a fork in her.
Tuohy will be fine wrote:
The whole Dudek vs Tuohy thing is ridiculous. They're both going to be good. Tuohy, physically, still looks like a little kid rather than a young woman. With females, it is always hard to tell what will become of their talent as they mature but I would like to believe that Tuohy still has plenty of upsides. People are talking as if she is done and has a fork in her.
I think when it’s all said and done Starliper will be the best out of these three once she gets healthy! Tuohy is far from done......she and Starliper are going to be great training partners for the next 4 years. Starliper was surely the better runner and would have shown that if her Indoor Nationals and Spring season would not have been stripped of her by COVID. Everyone talking about Mile times with the elite today is right, their mile times are not good for elites.
Starliper on the other hand before Indoors got cut off , ran 9;07 in the 3000 at BU and 4:37 at Millrose dusting Hutchins, Rosin, Whittaker, Parks, and Ewert. She was scheduled to run the 2 mile at NBN Indoor before it got canceled.,..she was ready to run 9:45 or better, She was the only high school runner probably since Cain to break 4:40 several times in high school and consistently ran under 4:45 in her career. The other recent milers like Parks and Starcher only broke 4:40 once ( they are very inconsistent). In college consistency is the name of the game. Starliper probably has the most range out of all recent elites.
My last prediction is that Starliper, Dudek, and Starliper will all win at least one NCAA title in some event, and multiples more than likely if healthy! All have great range and are probably the best athletes since Cain, they are a college coach’s dream!
7empest wrote:
Tuohy will be fine wrote:
The whole Dudek vs Tuohy thing is ridiculous. They're both going to be good. Tuohy, physically, still looks like a little kid rather than a young woman. With females, it is always hard to tell what will become of their talent as they mature but I would like to believe that Tuohy still has plenty of upsides. People are talking as if she is done and has a fork in her.
I think when it’s all said and done Starliper will be the best out of these three once she gets healthy! Tuohy is far from done......she and Starliper are going to be great training partners for the next 4 years. Starliper was surely the better runner and would have shown that if her Indoor Nationals and Spring season would not have been stripped of her by COVID. Everyone talking about Mile times with the elite today is right, their mile times are not good for elites.
Starliper on the other hand before Indoors got cut off , ran 9;07 in the 3000 at BU and 4:37 at Millrose dusting Hutchins, Rosin, Whittaker, Parks, and Ewert. She was scheduled to run the 2 mile at NBN Indoor before it got canceled.,..she was ready to run 9:45 or better, She was the only high school runner probably since Cain to break 4:40 several times in high school and consistently ran under 4:45 in her career. The other recent milers like Parks and Starcher only broke 4:40 once ( they are very inconsistent). In college consistency is the name of the game. Starliper probably has the most range out of all recent elites.
My last prediction is that Starliper, Dudek, and Starliper will all win at least one NCAA title in some event, and multiples more than likely if healthy! All have great range and are probably the best athletes since Cain, they are a college coach’s dream!
I think you are forgetting about Ms Tuohy who also ran under 4:40 a number of times including relay legs, and who also ran 4:45 starting in age 8. But your point is taken in that none of the current very fast 2 milers have done that.
* grade 8 not age 8!!!!
FastTuohy wrote:
7empest wrote:
I think when it’s all said and done Starliper will be the best out of these three once she gets healthy! Tuohy is far from done......she and Starliper are going to be great training partners for the next 4 years. Starliper was surely the better runner and would have shown that if her Indoor Nationals and Spring season would not have been stripped of her by COVID. Everyone talking about Mile times with the elite today is right, their mile times are not good for elites.
Starliper on the other hand before Indoors got cut off , ran 9;07 in the 3000 at BU and 4:37 at Millrose dusting Hutchins, Rosin, Whittaker, Parks, and Ewert. She was scheduled to run the 2 mile at NBN Indoor before it got canceled.,..she was ready to run 9:45 or better, She was the only high school runner probably since Cain to break 4:40 several times in high school and consistently ran under 4:45 in her career. The other recent milers like Parks and Starcher only broke 4:40 once ( they are very inconsistent). In college consistency is the name of the game. Starliper probably has the most range out of all recent elites.
My last prediction is that Starliper, Dudek, and Starliper will all win at least one NCAA title in some event, and multiples more than likely if healthy! All have great range and are probably the best athletes since Cain, they are a college coach’s dream!
I think you are forgetting about Ms Tuohy who also ran under 4:40 a number of times including relay legs, and who also ran 4:45 starting in age 8. But your point is taken in that none of the current very fast 2 milers have done that.
Your right, I forgot ...... it’s been a while for her. Thanks! As stated her and Starliper are going to be good for each other!