coach wrote:
Why can't he play a transgender character. I'm sure many will be written into scripts.
There's no suggestion he can't play a transgender character. The question was whether straight male roles would also be appropriate. He is currently playing a cis female in one of his present roles.
coach wrote:
Why can't he play a transgender character. I'm sure many will be written into scripts.
Fox has at least one tv show with a transgender character played by a transgender actor (who has previously acted in straight roles). If they can do it, anyone can.
Two pages about a Canadian? What's happened to our priorities?
Armstronglivs wrote:
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
I know I've asked this before, but let me make sure I've got this right.
1. Ellen Page is now Elliot Page..
2. Now uses the term "he"
3. Elliot Page is married to a woman....
4. Elliot Page has said he still identifies as queer
I'm lost. Wouldn't you being a man being married to a woman make you straight or is "identifying" as queer somehow different?
Yes, it is a bit perplexing. I don't quite get how you can be "he" as well as "non-binary", as the former is clearly binary (and to be both singular and plural, through being "he" and "they". Does "they" still include "she"? I'm not sure what else it could refer to). I also find it puzzling that he can call himself "queer" when he is in a relationship with a woman. Does his partner - a lesbian - now see herself as straight?
If gender can now mean whatever you choose it to mean, does it mean anything?
Sometimes a non-binary person feels the need to project the image of the sex opposite to their birth sex, because other people had established their perception. So Page had been seen as a female for many years (in public no less), and one way to erase that image is to project the image of a male. The same happens with a non-binary person who was born male.
Armstronglivs wrote:
coach wrote:
Why can't he play a transgender character. I'm sure many will be written into scripts.
There's no suggestion he can't play a transgender character. The question was whether straight male roles would also be appropriate. He is currently playing a cis female in one of his present roles.
I understand. My point was that there will be plenty of transgender characters written into scripts so he will find work.
Just as Danny Devito (mentioned earlier) and others are limited by their looks, Eliot Paige will be limited by his looks.
I would just like to point out that the party of “trust the science” has awfully convenient ways of ignoring or changing the science of biologically defined genders.
so they are now a man with a giant forehead instead of a woman with a giant forehead.
...life goes on
I think it's unfortunate that he/she is just reinforcing gender stereotypes.
America's fury wrote:
I think it's unfortunate that he/she is just reinforcing gender stereotypes.
For real, why can’t a man be named Ellen? It is only reinforcing gender norms to feel the need to change their name.
uwu54w wrote:
Two pages about a Canadian? What's happened to our priorities?
Who are you calling "our"??
I prefer to use the "group of people neutral wording" of "a group of individuals, be it human or otherwise that share a collective identity, be it nationality, viewpoints, idealogy or other factors"
Kaitlyn Jenner didn't win Gold at the Olympics. Bruce did.
Elliot didn't star in Juno. Ellen did.
I don't see the point of erasing Ellen and though she never existed.
alfamale wrote:
Why even bring up that you're not discriminatory? Do you want to remind us about your one black friend too?
He is posing a legitimate question, however many will just say he is discriminatory.
Question is , has 'he' got balls? Doubt it.
It is interesting that DID (dissociative identity disorder) is quickly and universally treated by psychiatrists.
....but gender identity.....nah, you are normal, go right ahead
I thought he was cute in Juno. Does that make me gay?
kore wrote:
Kaitlyn Jenner didn't win Gold at the Olympics. Bruce did.
Elliot didn't star in Juno. Ellen did.
I don't see the point of erasing Ellen and though she never existed.
Maybe because science isn't your thing?
alfamale wrote:
Why even bring up that you're not discriminatory? Do you want to remind us about your one black friend too?
Because I was a fan of hers, now his, and it really surprised me. It’s the first Oscar nominated transgender person that I am aware of even though she was nominated as a female. I would not discriminate, and I’d go see a movie with her in it without thinking twice. I think there are some serious questions about the future of his career. Could be better than ever for all I know.
Seems like you’re the uptight person clicking on the post to start an argument.
Rainy Day wrote:
alfamale wrote:
Why even bring up that you're not discriminatory? Do you want to remind us about your one black friend too?
Because I was a fan of hers, now his, and it really surprised me. It’s the first Oscar nominated transgender person that I am aware of even though she was nominated as a female. I would not discriminate, and I’d go see a movie with her in it without thinking twice. I think there are some serious questions about the future of his career. Could be better than ever for all I know.
Seems like you’re the uptight person clicking on the post to start an argument.
Why are you "such a fan of---?" Because that person really wants to help mankind, advance mankind? Or more likely that that confused person is on your team?
coach wrote:
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
I know I've asked this before, but let me make sure I've got this right.
1. Ellen Page is now Elliot Page..
2. Now uses the term "he"
3. Elliot Page is married to a woman....
4. Elliot Page has said he still identifies as queer
I'm lost. Wouldn't you being a man being married to a woman make you straight or is "identifying" as queer somehow different?
I asked the same question a couple of months back. It's all too complicated for me. I wish them well.
It's 'complicated' in the same way Flat Earth Theory is complicated. It's an illogical and nonsensical worldview.
Hardloper wrote:
coach wrote:
I asked the same question a couple of months back. It's all too complicated for me. I wish them well.
It's 'complicated' in the same way Flat Earth Theory is complicated. It's an illogical and nonsensical worldview.
To be clear, I am all for diverting billions and billions of dollars being sent to Middle eastern countries and elsewhere to fund our own mental illness issues at home.
kimonay wrote:
Why are you "such a fan of---?" Because that person really wants to help mankind, advance mankind? Or more likely that that confused person is on your team?
Because Juno is one of my top 20 movies of all time and I think she did a great job. I also though she was kind of cute, which is a little weird now. I also really like Inception, and again thought she was really good.
Are you not a fan of any actors or athletes?
Don’t know why I wasted my time with this response, I’m going to watch Juno now.
Rainy Day wrote:
kimonay wrote:
Why are you "such a fan of---?" Because that person really wants to help mankind, advance mankind? Or more likely that that confused person is on your team?
Because Juno is one of my top 20 movies of all time and I think she did a great job. I also though she was kind of cute, which is a little weird now. I also really like Inception, and again thought she was really good.
Are you not a fan of any actors or athletes?
Don’t know why I wasted my time with this response, I’m going to watch Juno now.
Hey , you can waste your time any how you wish. I am a fan of several of them. I just don't worship them nor hold their opinion any higher than any of my Redneck friends.