joe mf biden wrote:
CarbonFiberJoe wrote:
Yeah, imagine a handful of athletes coming down with the sniffles during their off week. The horrors.
Imagine several top athletes being permanently damaged to the point where they don’t have a career anymore.
Imagine letting made up strawman dictate you like this. SMH.
It may be unlikely, but long term problems are a reality. Look no farther than UF's Keyontae Johnson, who collapsed, was in critical condition, and could very well have died from myocarditis complications - likely a result of a previous mild covid infection.
I am aware of at least one other runner that has tested positive since returning home. I’ve talked with a few others that didn’t bother being tested upon returning home. I was negative.
Ok, probably retest if sx start. Again rapids/antigens aren’t super accurate until sx start. Just something to keep in mind. Also still quarantine regardless of test results recommended. After 14-15 days if no sx likely fine.
Should clarify quarantine regardless of test if exposed to a case. Hopefully they were ready to contact trace if needed at least that should be considered for future events
I would say the real risk is that someone is asymptomatic and travels home to family during Christmas. Which could then spread to parents and grandparents.
While not certain as others have pointed out a young to athlete while still at risk is in a very low risk category.
Young and healthy, how about don't worry about it? If you are an old codger, stay away. This is nothing but more governmental red tape and intrusion into everyone's lives. Sign a waiver and let everyone race that wants to- most probably won't so it will be self limiting. Your chances of dying while running a race or after is about the same as it always was from a hidden heart condition or something.
It amazes me how people are either so dumb, biased or ill informed about statistics that we can't have an honest discussion on here.
Common Cents wrote:
. If anything the fact that all of these athletes were exposed proves that running any kind of race right now is way too risky.
What you wrote is a false statement. It doesn't prove anything. Your risk tolerance is obviously way less than that of many.
The fact of the matter is over 250,000 Americans are being with this every single day. More than 17 million have already tested positive for it.
Some people may think, one or two more getting it is no big deal. You seem to think if one person gets it, then the world must stop but that's your personal belief. Many others do not share that belief. One could actually argue that the race is helping slow the spread of Covdi-19. How?
Well, their extensive pre-race testing caught 2 people with cases of it. Those people may not have never realized they had it if it wasn't for the race. The race may have stopped them from spreading it.
I'm now reading in another post that someone else has tested positive after the race. That doesn't mean squat to me. The reality is roughly 1.5 million Americans tested positive for it last week alone. That's basically 1 in 200 Americans or .5%. Didn't the race have something like 100 participants? So half the time, one person would test positive if we were just following national averages.
Keyontae Johnson wrote:
It may be unlikely, but long term problems are a reality. Look no farther than UF's Keyontae Johnson, who collapsed, was in critical condition, and could very well have died from myocarditis complications - likely a result of a previous mild covid infection.
Ok, what is your point? First of all, the article doesn't say it was "Likely" the result of Covid. It says possibly. But the good news is they have before and after tests so they will be able to figure it out. The thing is heart specialists this summer looked into this and said widespread MRIs looking for myocarditis wasn't something we should be doing.
What is your solution? None of the 17 million people in the US who have tested positive for Covid should be allowed to play sports again? The reality is freak things happened before Covid. Maybe he is just Hank Gathers #2 and this has nothing to do with Covid-19.
joeyg1116 wrote:
So if no other runners got it, does that prove the risk of spread outdoors is incredibly low, and mean other races can come back too? That’d be cool.
No. it doesn't mean that either. You're talking about 100 people. You'd need a WAY bigger study to prove it.
If I was an elite runner, I would have been happy to sign up for the event. They required two pre-race negatives, kept everyone distanced when no t running, etc. It's a risk I'd be willing to take. Others may feel differently and that's fine.
forgot the indigenous wrote:
All athletes have been notified that a positive test was reported from the race.
Now go back and watch the race and see how many athletes were hugging it out and standing around unmasked.
I hope this doesn’t get ugly.
ooops sorry about that guys and gals
It may be unlikely, but long term problems are a reality. Look no farther than UF's Keyontae Johnson, who collapsed, was in critical condition, and could very well have died from myocarditis complications - likely a result of a previous mild covid infection.
Another example of ignorance and irresponsible reporting by the fear mongering media. Johnson's hear condition may very well have been genetic and even while tested during physical exams, showed no risk to consider further diagnostics to investigate / diagnose. Unfortunately black men are more predisposed to sudden cardiac arrest and death than white. His heart inflammation could have been brought on my multiple other circumstances and health issues. Once again the media demonstrates ignorance beyond.
forgot the indigenous wrote:
All athletes have been notified that a positive test was reported from the race.
Now go back and watch the race and see how many athletes were hugging it out and standing around unmasked.
I hope this doesn’t get ugly.
Remember when we called this the seasonal flu and nobody raised an eyebrow, wtf. Panic Porn has taken over, cover your face with a little bit of cloth and lockdown, don’t leave the your quarters until Biden tells you it’s safe outside.
I honestly don’t know what to say about this post...it’s really downplaying the predicament we’re in right now. Some parts of the country in the US are starting to see community spread in their areas others have been dealing all year. The areas just starting likely don’t have the capability to deal in their hospitals. It’s a scary thing...it’s also a very sad thing for our elderly community but not only then anyone with a compromised immune system. ALSO our schools are directly linked to all this...if we do our part to mitigate spread our schools have a better chance to stay open. Look I’m as big a running fan as any, but in doing these events they need to be ready for if an athlete would test positive and have some sort of plan in place with athletes aware of the next proper tests to take. Sorry this nurse’s rant is over...
I take Covid very seriously but also think we should be finding safe ways to do things and those safe ways are not going to be perfect.
Several states ran XC this season with minimal to no spread from competition or even practice.
I am unsure of any of the pre or post race activities this positive person may have taken part in, but if done correctly everything before and after should have been masked, distances or if not in their own travel groups.
Yes maybe there is risk of spread from the race itself but it would be insanely low. Like winning the lottery low. You need roughly 15 minutes of close contact, breathing in someones stagnant breath. That just is not going to happen even in a longer race.
Remember how there was very little spread in the outdoor protests this summer? Both the unmasked anti-lockdown protests or the masked BLM ones? Outdoors, on a sunny day, while moving. This is not a risk.
Zee wrote:
ALSO our schools are directly linked to all this...
Please cite your evidence of this.
Isn't the false positive rate stupid high?
Each athlete has the ability to evaluate the risk that they were taking and decide to run at this event. If not one gets seriously sick from this, great - if any athlete(s) develop long-term effects, that was their decision and they'll have to live with it.
Allowing test results from up to a 6 days before the event seems like it was too long a window. That left a lot of time between a test and competition. With the limited field, the event could have added in on-arrival/on-site testing as an added safety measure.
The one thing I think its now fair to ask the same athletes who found the risk-reward worth it, is that they self-quarantine for 7-10 days and get tested again before going out into their communities again and spreading it to people who had no say in the matter.
common-sense wrote:
Each athlete has the ability to evaluate the risk that they were taking and decide to run at this event. If not one gets seriously sick from this, great - if any athlete(s) develop long-term effects, that was their decision and they'll have to live with it.
Allowing test results from up to a 6 days before the event seems like it was too long a window. That left a lot of time between a test and competition. With the limited field, the event could have added in on-arrival/on-site testing as an added safety measure.
The one thing I think its now fair to ask the same athletes who found the risk-reward worth it, is that they self-quarantine for 7-10 days and get tested again before going out into their communities again and spreading it to people who had no say in the matter.
Great points.
I wonder if the window was that big because they were requiring PCR tests and there is such a wide range of time that it takes those to get back across the country. Maybe could have done a rapid test upon arrival. I heard Michigan is letting their Fall sports finish by testings all of the teams left.
It's been n=3 days? Since symptoms can show up 2 weeks later it's way too early to say no other runners got it.
rojo wrote:
It amazes me how people are either so dumb, biased or ill informed about statistics that we can't have an honest discussion on here.
Says the guy who runs a message board completely overrun with Covid denial spam. If my hot takes on a pandemic were in direct conflict with almost every epidemiologist, I think I would question whether I was either: (dumb, biased, or ill-informed).
This ^^^