What do you mean, "no, really"? Is that a yes or a no? Are you President Bush posting anonymously? You make about as much sense.
What do you mean, "no, really"? Is that a yes or a no? Are you President Bush posting anonymously? You make about as much sense.
But what about those of us who compete at badwater ? or hardrock ?...it seems like lots of the time I am just walking but I still consider it running
Pace DOES NOT seperate jogging from running. Graceful efficient form seperates a runner from a jogger. You can run with efficient form at ANY speed.
stoutchemist wrote:
pace which divides running and jogging?
Mine, regardless of the speed.
I almost thought this was a topic comparing running and walking....
Running and jogging are the same thing. I can run 5:00 a mile with 180 strides per minute and 10:00 a mile with 180 strides per minute. As long as you're airborne you're running.
I believe its pronounced "yogging"
The difference between running and jogging is mental. If you are running, you are trying to be competitive at the sport. If you are jogging, you are trying to get in shape.
Runningart2004 wrote:
Running and jogging are the same thing.
That is wrong.
Jogging is "to move along at a slow, steady, jolting pace."
Running is "to move swiftly"
Do not disrespect your elders. The exact point you go from slow to swift is 7 MINUTE PACE.
Jogster wrote: "What do you mean, "no, really"? Is that a yes or a no? Are you President Bush posting anonymously? You make about as much sense."
Hahahaha!
I use "no really" as a slightly tongue in cheek way of saying "I'm serious here", but, alas, I may be dating myself.
If they are ahead of me they are runners, if behind they are joggers.
One of the Johnny Kelley's of Boston Marathon fame had a strict, simple defintion of 'runner': you have to run at least 50 miles a week at a 7-minute mile pace or better.
That's as simple a definition as there is.
So, if you are beginning (say a Jr HS kid), start off with getting used to running a mile or a couple of miles a day at 7-minutes per, then build up. Starting at 1-2 miles a day, in less than a year you'd be at 50 miles a week just by adding a mile to your daily run with each succeeding month.
Sounds simple, doesn't it? Keep all the speedwork and complicated forumlas and books and programs and monitors and fancy overpriced shoes and GU and 'ade drinks and watches and "what is Geb doing right now?" thoughts off the table until you have a solid year or two (or THREE) of 50MPW at 7 minutes-per mile.
If you're not that fast, you can work at it until you get to that level. Even if you're more interested in other sports the discipline and conditioning you develop can only help you. Nature will take its' course after that.
You have to start someplace. Keep it simple and build.
hobbyjogger wrote:
The exact point you go from slow to swift is 7 MINUTE PACE.
Alright, I'll take your bait (since you've thrown it out twice and no one else has). What makes "7 MINUTE PACE" the exact dividing line??
the difference between running and jogging is attitude
Exactly. And you can tell attitude by:jogging = smiling and chatting awayrunning = serious grimace and no talking
junior wrote:
the difference between running and jogging is attitude
But by that definition, I was hardly ever a runner. And I've been "running" for 30 years, 10k PR 31:09.
YES You Do. Check your math.
You did 31:09 which is around 5-flat per mile.
Granted that the theory on training pace is that you run 90 seconds or so per mile slower than you race, your training pace was around 6:30, ergo by the Kelley standards you qualify with seconds to spare.
Hey it was Kelley's definition, not mine, by the way.
Factoid wrote:
One of the Johnny Kelley's of Boston Marathon fame had a strict, simple defintion of 'runner': you have to run at least 50 miles a week at a 7-minute mile pace or better.
This definition is totally bogus. For my first two years as a runner (I thought I was, anyway), I ran 40-50 mpw in 6 sessions, much of it slower than 7:00/mile.
The results were obviously nothing at all to brag about, but I achieved all of my early goals at the time (sub-17:00 5k, sub-35:00 10k, sub-1:18 half) on that training. I don't remember many of the people behind me (or ahead) calling me a "jogger" at the time, if if they might have met Kelley's "definition" themselves. Same for skuj, I'm sure.
But I rarely ever did 50MPW.
Jogging is what you do between intervals or what fat people do to lose weight. Otherwise you're running.
Factoid wrote:
One of the Johnny Kelley's of Boston Marathon fame had a strict, simple defintion of 'runner': you have to run at least 50 miles a week at a 7-minute mile pace or better.
That's as simple a definition as there is.
So, if you are beginning (say a Jr HS kid), start off with getting used to running a mile or a couple of miles a day at 7-minutes per, then build up. Starting at 1-2 miles a day, in less than a year you'd be at 50 miles a week just by adding a mile to your daily run with each succeeding month.
Sounds simple, doesn't it? Keep all the speedwork and complicated forumlas and books and programs and monitors and fancy overpriced shoes and GU and 'ade drinks and watches and "what is Geb doing right now?" thoughts off the table until you have a solid year or two (or THREE) of 50MPW at 7 minutes-per mile.
If you're not that fast, you can work at it until you get to that level. Even if you're more interested in other sports the discipline and conditioning you develop can only help you. Nature will take its' course after that.
You have to start someplace. Keep it simple and build.
So according to you and your reference material, the kid would really be jogging for the first year or year and a half. He would not be running. That wouldn't come until he averaged 50mpw at 7:00 pace. Of course, if that were the true definition of running, there would only be a handful of runners in the world.