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Structure will be good for Wanders. His style has always been impetuous, but his defense has been far from impregnable. If Wander listens to some wise counsel from Canova, I can see him improving on his already impressive performances and being more consistently great, which is the important thing.
I dont think he’s a sonny liston or jack dempsey either but hopefully he can get to that level
I predict injury for him. Renato Canova sets down really hard workouts in his supercompensation phase, so it will be tough for Wanders to make them. There is no way in the world that he will run sub-58. He is not even a 27 flat 10000m runner. Look at the guys who have not done that, Geb, Bekele, Tergat, Tadese, and of course Geoffrey Kamworor only got to 58 flat or low. Those are all much, much better 10000m runners than he is. His old coach did terrific to get him to 59:13 in the half. What other Swiss-French athlete has done that? However, if everything works out with Renato, and he remains healthy, I see no reason why he can't eventually break 27, 59, 2:05, and possibly 13.
This feels like a LRC April Fool's Day headline.
800 Metres 1:51.57 Stadion Schützenmatte, Basel (SUI) 24 AUG 2019 982
1000 Metres 2:36.15 Lausanne (SUI) 04 MAY 2013 755
1500 Metres 3:39.30 Bern (SUI) 03 AUG 2019 1116
3000 Metres 7:43.62 Luzern (SUI) 09 JUL 2019 1154
5000 Metres 13:13.84 Stade Olympique de la Pontaise, Lausanne (SUI) 05 JUL 2019 1159
10,000 Metres 27:17.29 Hengelo (NED) 17 JUL 2019 NR 1199
5 Kilometres 13:29 Monaco (MON) 17 FEB 2019 NR 1125
8 Kilometres 22:28 Bulle (SUI) 17 NOV 2018 0
10 Kilometres 27:13 Valencia (ESP) 12 JAN 2020 AR, NR 1216
Half Marathon 59:13 Ras Al Khaimah (UAE) 08 FEB 2019 AR, NR
Renato Canova needs to do an Al Sal type adjustment for JW, just like he did for Farah, Ritz and others. I am confident the Italian septuagenerian has the tools and psyche to bring timid Julien up that ultimate step on the summit.
I'd reinforce Canova's success with Sondre Moen and I wonder Canova's perspective on the talent differences between the two. I would assume he states that Wanders is more elastic, a "fast runner" while Moen is more of an endurance runner, but I could be wrong. Interesting experiment.
Ghost1 wrote:
Renato Canova needs to do an Al Sal type adjustment for JW, just like he did for Farah, Ritz and others. I am confident the Italian septuagenerian has the tools and psyche to bring timid Julien up that ultimate step on the summit.
"Timid>
shy and nervous; without much confidence; easily frightened"
You know nothing about Julien if you think he is shy and nervous, without much confidence, and&or easily frightened.
Wanders has limited real speed, but he is one of the best diesels when in full flight. Tadesse was another diesel runner and we all know what he did. The problem with Tadesse is that he had a problem with marathons and I’m not sure of the reason for that - it could’ve been a fuel problem. Wanders is the Chris Froome of Athletics - meticulous preparation including diet. Polar opposite to the outgoing, junk food loving Jimmy Gressier - yet both are great mates.
The problem with JW up till now is that it appeared that he did not give enough respect to his body in terms of resting between sessions in between races and he was always full out or that’s the impression he gave. Those progressive runs with his Kenyan mates were like full out races in Iten at 2800 m altitude.
R.C. will give the young Franco/ Swiss man a better planning schedule.
ewfr wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
Renato Canova needs to do an Al Sal type adjustment for JW, just like he did for Farah, Ritz and others. I am confident the Italian septuagenerian has the tools and psyche to bring timid Julien up that ultimate step on the summit.
"Timid>
shy and nervous; without much confidence; easily frightened"
You know nothing about Julien if you think he is shy and nervous, without much confidence, and&or easily frightened.
JW has great interior confidence, but more introverted compared with Gressier and the Kiwi twins.
I think you nailed it Ghost 1! :) The problem with former coach was just that, neglecting the important factor number 4 , proper recovery between workouts.
When now JW change coach to Canova we must understand the main point and goal will be half/marathon and Canova will give him enough couple of "easy" training days between the main
workouts. Even if the guy hasn`t had the best of coaches before we must give a praise and credit for a 59.13 at half so far! :)
With just that 59:13 his ability points to at least sub 2:03:30 at marathon !
- mAGIC wINTER is hERE ! -
The Wizard JS wrote:
I think you nailed it Ghost 1! :) The problem with former coach was just that, neglecting the important factor number 4 , proper recovery between workouts.
When now JW change coach to Canova we must understand the main point and goal will be half/marathon and Canova will give him enough couple of "easy" training days between the main
workouts. Even if the guy hasn`t had the best of coaches before we must give a praise and credit for a 59.13 at half so far! :)
With just that 59:13 his ability points to at least sub 2:03:30 at marathon !
- mAGIC wINTER is hERE ! -
Yes, you have a point there JS.Anyway we can conclude Canova as always comes to a set table!
Not so difficult to make a strong diesel type of runner with 59.13 best at half to become a great marathoner.
A great talent wrote:
The Wizard JS wrote:
I think you nailed it Ghost 1! :) The problem with former coach was just that, neglecting the important factor number 4 , proper recovery between workouts.
When now JW change coach to Canova we must understand the main point and goal will be half/marathon and Canova will give him enough couple of "easy" training days between the main
workouts. Even if the guy hasn`t had the best of coaches before we must give a praise and credit for a 59.13 at half so far! :)
With just that 59:13 his ability points to at least sub 2:03:30 at marathon !
- mAGIC wINTER is hERE ! -
Yes, you have a point there JS.Anyway we can conclude Canova as always comes to a set table!
Not so difficult to make a strong diesel type of runner with 59.13 best at half to become a great marathoner.
Replying to yourself as usual.
A great talent wrote:
Yes, you have a point there JS.Anyway we can conclude wizard js as always comes to a set table!
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Ritzenhein ran 12:56 off a 3:42 1500 best.
123 wrote:
Just announced it on his instagram (in french).
https://www.instagram.com/p/CIP_3XQlv8a/Interesting development for his carreer. I don't know his previous coach, but Wanders' training was often criticized, albeit mostly by hobby joggers who are half as fast as Wanders.
just like Ryan Hall
Good decision.
Sub 13 slim chances.
Sub 27 possibly.
Sub 58 almost impossible.
Sub 2:04 very unlikely.
Great runner, but just not at the level of the very best.
Les wrote:
Ritzenhein ran 12:56 off a 3:42 1500 best.
Dathan Ritzenheim (30/12/1982)
You’re right about his 1500 m but one feels that had he ran 1500 m in his golden years from 2007 to 2009 then his time would’ve been closer to 338. Still quite slow for 1256 5000 m but better than 342 which is technically a four minute mile. His 1500 m was at age 20. On the track he was at his best level at ages 25-27. Before he met the wizard AL Salazar who changed his running technique and training.
1500 Metres 3:42.99 Palo Alto, CA (USA) 10 MAY 2002 1067
3000 Metres 7:39.03 EIS Don Valley Stadium, Sheffield (GBR) 15 JUL 2007 1182
Two Miles 8:11.74 Eugene, OR (USA) 10 JUN 2007 1199
5000 Metres 12:56.27 Letzigrund, Zürich (SUI) 28 AUG 2009 1223
10,000 Metres 27:22.28 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 17 AUG 2009 1191
5 Kilometres 13:48 Carlsbad, CA (USA) 03 APR 2005 1058
10 Kilometres 28:06 Manchester (GBR) 28 MAY 2017 1132
10 Miles Road 46:53 St. Paul (USA) 04 OCT 2015 1099
20 Kilometres 59:27 New Haven, CT (USA) 07 SEP 2015 1075
Half Marathon 1:00:00 Birmingham (GBR) 11 OCT 2009 1193
Marathon 2:07:47 Chicago, IL (USA) 07 OCT 2012 1202
Ritzenheim, Keflezighi, Lopes - all had similar 1500 pbs around 3:40-3:42, but were diesel runners with great engines once loaded.
Wanders will medal in Tokyo. Book it.
Runner10287 wrote:
Wanders will medal in Tokyo. Book it.
Possible but there are other many other possible medalists and it is very difficult to predict Olympic medalist especially in the marathon if that is the race he is selected for. He can run sub 27 minutes for 10,000 m but I doubt that he would metal in that event because he cannot run the last lap in 52 to 54 seconds. In fact, if the 10,000 m is a tactical race which it often is, the last mile would be run close to four minutes and that would probably be above Julien’s capacity to stay with the pace.
Rupp medalled in Rio and Julien is as good or equal to Galen on the roads ( not on the track) so it is possible. Let us see how far Canova can take him.