Serious thread about election fraud

I want Kanye to come out and say this was fraud. He has millions of Instagram followers and only 60,000 votes for him. I cry foul!

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george c wrote:

I thinkpotential fraud is ripe in same-day voting. Remember the 11 year old that changes votes using the 2016 machines in 10 minutes. Mail-in and the scrutiny they get and having a paper-trail seems far less susceptible.

Agreed, until that second paragraph.

Not sure why you would think same-day voting is susceptible to fraud. Maybe I'm wrong or naive, there is a paper-trail for all types of voting, whether mail, in-person early, or in-person day-of.

Because of what I put in that 2nd paragraph. It was proven how quick & easy it was to change voting machine numbers. And the fact that when Jill Stein asked for it to be examined, PA, MI, & WI governors had the paper trail as well as the computer data destroyed so that it could never be viewed. Quite an easy process actually. I am not saying it was illegal just not the transparency you would think we deserve. The investigation into Russian tampering in our election process and a bill to safeguard our future elelctions were both nixed by the GOP.

george c wrote:

Because of what I put in that 2nd paragraph. It was proven how quick & easy it was to change voting machine numbers. And the fact that when Jill Stein asked for it to be examined, PA, MI, & WI governors had the paper trail as well as the computer data destroyed so that it could never be viewed. Quite an easy process actually. I am not saying it was illegal just not the transparency you would think we deserve. The investigation into Russian tampering in our election process and a bill to safeguard our future elelctions were both nixed by the GOP.

I admit I'm unfamiliar with that incident, and don't have time to google it. But I would imagine if there was public criticism, election officials would have made whatever changes necessary within 4 years to avoid a repeat of the same criticism.

Election officials do all they can to ensure trust, integrity, and transparency in elections. That and accuracy is their number one job. In many places, shifts have been made from purely electronic machines to paper ballots to ensure checks and balances.

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I admit I'm unfamiliar with that incident, and don't have time to google it. But I would imagine if there was public criticism, election officials would have made whatever changes necessary within 4 years to avoid a repeat of the same criticism.

Election officials do all they can to ensure trust, integrity, and transparency in elections. That and accuracy is their number one job. In many places, shifts have been made from purely electronic machines to paper ballots to ensure checks and balances.

If you are bored sometime, research it.

You would certainly think it would be addressed but McConnell would not allow it to even come up for a vote.

Your last paragraph. Yes, it has reverted to paper ballots in many cases, for the very reasons I pointed out.

there is definitely an attempt at election fraud here but it's coming from Trump.

i say Trump and not the Republicans because many senior Republicans acknowledged on Tuesday night already that all ballots needed to be counted.

Did you know that to this point Trump has actually outperformed in Philadelphia relative to 2016? It's the suburbs that are going to lose him Pennsylvania. An 80-20 type results for democrats in Philadelphia is par for the course, just took longer to get there because of the extreme shift to mail in ballots and the republican refusal to allow early counting in PA.

Elections are run by local governments and officials. Do you know how many low level government employees from multiple political parties would have to be involved in a widespread voter fraud event and keep quiet? Lance Armstrong couldn't keep even keep his relatively small inner circle quiet with his millions...

There were lots of ballots with only Biden filled in and nothing else. Just look at the disparity in the number of votes for president vs votes for senators. And we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden got fewer votes than Hilary and Obama except in the last states to be called that will ultimately decide the election... ok sure...

By the way, you can still enter dead people's names and verify their votes in Detroit. It is amazing how good dead people are at voting in Wayne County!

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By the way, you can still enter dead people's names and verify their votes in Detroit. It is amazing how good dead people are at voting in Wayne County!

Came from ONE political faction, Trump!

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There were lots of ballots with only Biden filled in and nothing else. Just look at the disparity in the number of votes for president vs votes for senators. And we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden got fewer votes than Hilary and Obama except in the last states to be called that will ultimately decide the election... ok sure...

By the way, you can still enter dead people's names and verify their votes in Detroit. It is amazing how good dead people are at voting in Wayne County!

This would be incredibly easy data to cite, so obviously you included a bunch of examples where the number of presidential only votes significantly exceeded previous years in specific precincts. Plus I noted the many examples of clearly dead people who have voted in Wayne county you cited above to prove your point. Unfortunately, my computer isn't able to efficiently download all the examples so if somebody else with better internet could maybe filter it down to one or two clear instances that would be great. Thanks

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Election officials do all they can to ensure trust, integrity, and transparency in elections.

Good grief.

dunes runner wrote:

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Election officials do all they can to ensure trust, integrity, and transparency in elections.

Good grief.

yeah it's much easier to believe a major conspiracy than to believe people are doing their jobs

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There were lots of ballots with only Biden filled in and nothing else. Just look at the disparity in the number of votes for president vs votes for senators. And we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden got fewer votes than Hilary and Obama except in the last states to be called that will ultimately decide the election... ok sure...

By the way, you can still enter dead people's names and verify their votes in Detroit. It is amazing how good dead people are at voting in Wayne County!

Is this the first time you have participated or paid attention to an election? In presidential elections, it is very common for people to only vote for the president or national offices and then skip the rest.

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There were lots of ballots with only Biden filled in and nothing else. Just look at the disparity in the number of votes for president vs votes for senators. And we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden got fewer votes than Hilary and Obama except in the last states to be called that will ultimately decide the election... ok sure...

By the way, you can still enter dead people's names and verify their votes in Detroit. It is amazing how good dead people are at voting in Wayne County!

Literally the first swing state called, Florida, Biden got more votes than Hilary and Obama. Even the weak accusations you make up are wrong at the first sniff.

runnerguy2016 wrote:

I do want to talk about election fraud.

Does anyone have an explanation for things like this:

I'm sure the first thing that will happen here is people will attack the source.

Instead of doing that can someone address the claims that this person is making?

I saw an interview with her the next morning. She's an attorney, was at one of the sites where this happened at 4:30 am, and posted videos of people wheeling in boxes of ballots in carts.

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There are also videos of people walking into the restricted areas with backpacks and coolers, with no one checking, and no one preventing them from entering the restricted areas.

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These things definitely need to be thoroughly investigated, and the results thrown out when there has been such definitive evidence of ballot fraud and ballot tampering.

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There is no question based on the facts that Joe Biden lost this election, and that the democrats blatantly stuffed the ballot boxes with fraudulent ballots.

dunes runner wrote:

There is no question based on the facts that Joe Biden lost this election, and that the democrats blatantly stuffed the ballot boxes with fraudulent ballots.

If this is you taking defeat well, I'd hate to see you if you were a bad loser.

Biden's your president, dry your eyes and get over it.

Why not base opinions on fact.

Far too many people start with their "R" or "D" and work backward to justify pretty much ANYTHING.

If/when there is proof then something can be done. Carrying a cooler is not voter fraud in most states.

Philadelphia, especially, is a Dem machine.

just saying... wrote:

There were lots of ballots with only Biden filled in and nothing else. Just look at the disparity in the number of votes for president vs votes for senators. And we're supposed to believe that Joe Biden got fewer votes than Hilary and Obama except in the last states to be called that will ultimately decide the election... ok sure...

By the way, you can still enter dead people's names and verify their votes in Detroit. It is amazing how good dead people are at voting in Wayne County!

Thanks. Always fun when the nutbag contingent weighs in!