Is eating Salads overrated?

YMMV wrote:

Plants don't have:

Vitamin A, B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine), B12, D, E (Animal) F, K2, Q10. Amino acids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, and Taurine. Heme-iron, Collagen, CLA (Omega 3), Cholesterol and Complete Protein (Consists of 9 essential amino acids)

What's your agenda?

The above is a lie and you have been shown that before, backed by scientific data.

And yet you choose to ignore it and keep on posting your lies.

Kids read this forum.

You should be ashamed.

fresh manure fed veg tastes great love it.

the stuff in canada is horrible,

it tastes bad.

you don't know salad if you have to eat that garbage.

yytkj wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Plants don't have:

Vitamin A, B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine), B12, D, E (Animal) F, K2, Q10. Amino acids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, and Taurine. Heme-iron, Collagen, CLA (Omega 3), Cholesterol and Complete Protein (Consists of 9 essential amino acids)

What's your agenda?

The above is a lie and you have been shown that before, backed by scientific data.

And yet you choose to ignore it and keep on posting your lies.

Kids read this forum.

You should be ashamed.

He's just an extremist who is exaggerating and distorting

Is true that you are healthiest when you eat both the wide variety of animal and plant based products

It is true that is a few nutrients that are very difficult to get from plans such as B12 and the essential fatty acids DHA and EPA

Although you can get them from algae but it's simply not as an effective source as fish

The bottom line is you can get incredible health and nutrients from eating a wide variety of plant sources including leafy green vegetables and many other salad items such as cabbage, spinach, broccoli, beans, tomatoes celery as well as nuts and seeds

Unfortunately there's people who just exaggerated an extreme position and won't listen to reason

The simplest dietary advice is simply eat a well-balanced variety of foods and avoid toxins and pesticides and try to get natural sources a good quality for all your food

Uh, No. You loser vegans go around calling people liars when fact is the data gets posted all the time.

Here's the low down on a cup of iceberg lettuce, basic element of a salad. 7% of vitamin A (but in beta-carotene form), 22% of vitamin K. No more than 3% of any other vitamin, including vitamin C. No more than 4% of any mineral. No more than 2% of any B vitamin. Are you eating 25-50 cups? No? Not a good source then.

ACROSS THE BOARD that is what vegetables are like: Beta-Carotene, K, sometimes C, and nothing else. And only 10 calories? It's nothing. How can you justify the energy and resources that are wasted even producing it?

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2476/2

Bad Wigins wrote:

Uh, No. You loser vegans go around calling people liars when fact is the data gets posted all the time.

Here's the low down on a cup of iceberg lettuce, basic element of a salad. 7% of vitamin A (but in beta-carotene form), 22% of vitamin K. No more than 3% of any other vitamin, including vitamin C. No more than 4% of any mineral. No more than 2% of any B vitamin. Are you eating 25-50 cups? No? Not a good source then.

ACROSS THE BOARD that is what vegetables are like: Beta-Carotene, K, sometimes C, and nothing else. And only 10 calories? It's nothing. How can you justify the energy and resources that are wasted even producing it?

https://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2476/2

That's cherry picking data. I rarely eat a salad containing iceberg lettuce, and whatever lettuce I do use is less than 50% of the salad.

Seattle Gray Hair wrote:I rarely eat a salad containing iceberg lettuce, and whatever lettuce I do use is less than 50% of the salad.

I know nobody with a real interest in food who would use iceberg lettuce in a meal expecting it to add nutritional value. As a wrap for something else some of the time, it at least serves a physical function.

BW telling the world that iceberg lettuce lacks nutritional value is roughly as informative as somebody predicting covid will stop in the US at 2600 cases.

ACROSS THE BOARD I said.

What's the other half of your salad?

Celery? 15% Pro-A, <5% every other vitamin, <3% every essential mineral.

1 cup sliced radishes? 29% C, 7% folate, <5% other vitamins, 8% potassium, <5% other minerals

1/2 cup sliced cucumbers? 11% K, <3% other vitamins, <3% minerals

Total calories 50. You try to survive on this stuff, the only question is which you die of first: starvation or vitamin/mineral deficiency.

interested reader wrote:

BW telling the world that iceberg lettuce lacks nutritional value is roughly as informative as somebody predicting covid will stop in the US at 2600 cases.

You LOSE!!! No surer way to fail than to signal you have no argument.

Face it, fool - vegetables aren't food.

Any idiot knows the "salad" ingredients you mention have little or no nutritional value.

Maybe throw corn into the mix, and you will fully prove your thesis.

Bad Wigins wrote:Face it, fool - vegetables aren't food.

wiggy, nothing wrong with going through life oblivious to the world around you... You go, girl!

yytkj wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Plants don't have:

Vitamin A, B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine), B12, D, E (Animal) F, K2, Q10. Amino acids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, and Taurine. Heme-iron, Collagen, CLA (Omega 3), Cholesterol and Complete Protein (Consists of 9 essential amino acids)

What's your agenda?

The above is a lie and you have been shown that before, backed by scientific data.

And yet you choose to ignore it and keep on posting your lies.

Kids read this forum.

You should be ashamed.

My agenda is to make it clear that the optimal human diet is animal-based. Unlike plants, 100% of all required human nutrition is found in meat fish and eggs, AND is in it's most bioavailable form AND is virtually toxin-free compared to 99% of plants (some low-sugar fruit are relatively harmless).

Humans can survive periods of meat scarcity, but they do not thrive to their full potential, and tendencies to fully plant-based diets get expunged from our lineage because of shutting down of reproduction and early death. No civilization in history has been vegan or even near it, despite the obvious abundance of (mostly poisonous or inedible) plants.

To the extent that you consume a diet based on whole, minimally-processed animal, rather than plant, foods, you are an optimal human, incredibly durable, resilient, strong and intelligent.

Al of this would have sounded crazy to me 15 years ago, but I have since done my due diligence. I suggest that you make it a priority to do the same, while you are still young, adaptable, and relatively free of disease (an opportunity I was denied by lifelong plant-based eating).

Iceberg lettuce is not very nutritious, that's exactly why I picked it as the example comparing tuna nicoise salad nutrition to iceberg lettuce + croutons.

In fact I just read an article saying

But some greens aren't nutrient powerhouses. Iceberg lettuce, for example, contains folate and vitamin A, but is otherwise known for being the least nutrient-dense salad green.

There are probably over 200 items that could be considered 'salad', maybe a lot more, the variety is massive.

I often have watercress in mine, that has a very different nutrient profile. People put beans in them, avocado, peppers...

Here are the things we most commonly include in our salads:

avocado

arugula

spinach

mache

brown rice

nuts (almonds, pistachios, sometimes peanuts or cashews)

seeds (pepitas, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds)

fruit (apples, peaches, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries...)

roasted sweet potato

roasted carrots

roasted squash

roasted peppers

roasted potato

pickled sweet onions

"crack sauce" (a breakfast "ketchup" we discovered at a restaurant > 20 years ago and stole the recipe; we call it crack sauce because it is so delicious as to be addictive)

other dressing ingredients (all dressings are home made, containing some of: olive oil, balsamic - or other - vinegar, mustard, etc)

It made me hungry writing out this list! :-)

Damn, I forgot to include beans and lentils in the list.

But notice, iceberg lettuce, and even romaine lettuce, appeared nowhere on my list. Life is too short to eat bad food...

interested reader wrote:But notice, iceberg lettuce, and even romaine lettuce, appeared nowhere on my list.

Nor bacon bits, croutons, prepared salad dressings, celery, cucumber, etc...

track chick wrote:

It depends what you put in it.

If you make a tuna nicoise salad - tuna, eggs, anchovies, green beans, new potatoes, tomatoes, some leaves, olive oil, it is very different than say iceberg lettuce leaves with croutons on top.

+1

Toss dat salad wrote:

Grammar tip: you don't have to capitalized foods.

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Why is everyone so focused on isolating nutrients? Food is not nutrients - food is meals, experiences, relationships, etc. As soon as you start thinking so granular, you run the risk of obsession (see YMMV, and jumping from fad diet to fad diet to "fix" yourself).

YMMV, if you did know anything, you would probably know that to focus on single nutrients, vitamins, minerals, etc is foolish as their absorption for use varies from individually (gene expression), often requires combinations with others nutrients, and can vary depending on preparation (or lack thereof). Also, plants provide phytonutrients and fibre and fungi provide myconutrients, which you don't get from animals.

Others have said it, just eat a variety of foods which are minimally processed beyond your own preparation. Nutrition does not need to be as complex as it becomes when read on LRC.

Is BadWigns one of the Brojos burner accounts?

You guys realize a salad can be more than lettuce tomato and onions right? A salad worth eating will have some leafy greens as a base but is mostly a lot of fruits veggies nuts meats starches