Moroccan 2.05.58 marathoner doping ban 4 years

Doped to the Max wrote:

Definitely much more extreme - try 17.4 Hgb (52.2) 0.32 RET%, 140 Off-Score one (1) day before the Prague marathon (99.5 specificity & classic off-phase).

Well, on the other hand, his 17.4 are actually less extreme than a 16.2 for a lady. And Paula's 30% jump in Hgb within days remains unmatched by all these cases I have ever seen.

Doped to the Max wrote:

Also, in the DT hearing, World-renowned anti-doping expert Dr. Schumacher states in paragraph's 145 & 146:

145. "According to Dr. Schumacher, the benefit of EPO can increase performance saves up to 1 minute on a 10 km run, which is considerable if we assume that it takes 30 minutes to travel this distance."

146. "Dr Schumacher further confirmed that taking EPO during training periods is also beneficial as it allows the athlete to train more intensely and thus to get your body used to being called upon in a more sustained manner."

Haha, yes, but the drug cheat apologists will likely get mad and call him a "so-called scientist" with a "baseless" opinion.

survey says wrote:

The tragedy here is that Taku Fujimoto was denied the recognition and fame that would have come from winning his country's most prestigious marathon. Hopefully he and whoever was 2nd in Prague get the prize money they rightfully earned as the clean winners.

As for this doper, no tragedy there.

^This. Taku really missed out. But Ghost1 of course has a history of supporting disgusting cheaters like Kiprop and Dazza.

Doped to the Max wrote:

Definitely much more extreme - try 17.4 Hgb (52.2) 0.32 RET%, 140 Off-Score one (1) day before the Prague marathon (99.5 specificity & classic off-phase). Prague was his 2nd fastest time and he set the NR a year earlier at Valencia. However, they didn't start obtaining ABP blood samples until the day before Prague, so I'm considering Valcenia as suspicious.

Also, in the DT hearing, World-renowned anti-doping expert Dr. Schumacher states in paragraph's 145 & 146:

145. "According to Dr. Schumacher, the benefit of EPO can increase performance saves up to 1 minute on a 10 km run, which is considerable if we assume that it takes 30 minutes to travel this distance."

146. "Dr Schumacher further confirmed that taking EPO during training periods is also beneficial as it allows the athlete to train more intensely and thus to get your body used to being called upon in a more sustained manner."

Also significant are the subsequent low HgB values, high RET%, and low off-scores in August and September 2019.

What is tragic is that he could have trained at high altitude, raising his blood values legally, creating a win-win-win scenario for him, his competitors, and the sport.

What is surprising is that in 2019, especially in Morocco, federations/coaches/athletes wanting to increase their red blood cells with synthetic EPO still have not learned to manage the doses to avoid detection, suggesting a low degree of sophistication.

casual obsever wrote:

Doped to the Max wrote:

Also, in the DT hearing, World-renowned anti-doping expert Dr. Schumacher states in paragraph's 145 & 146:

145. "According to Dr. Schumacher, the benefit of EPO can increase performance saves up to 1 minute on a 10 km run, which is considerable if we assume that it takes 30 minutes to travel this distance."

146. "Dr Schumacher further confirmed that taking EPO during training periods is also beneficial as it allows the athlete to train more intensely and thus to get your body used to being called upon in a more sustained manner."

Haha, yes, but the drug cheat apologists will likely get mad and call him a "so-called scientist" with a "baseless" opinion.

He is an expert anti-doping scientist, no doubt, but the main doubt of these stated opinions is not basis, but relevance for sub-2:06 marathon performances in this specific instance.

Recall the standard for cases involving WADA ADRVs is merely "potential" for performance advantage. It is not necessary to show that the specific athlete actually gained a performance advantage, or that the intensity of training actually increased.

His expert opinion serves that purpose, but it would be foolish to over-interpret these generic opinions onto real world performances.

casual obsever wrote:

survey says wrote:

The tragedy here is that Taku Fujimoto was denied the recognition and fame that would have come from winning his country's most prestigious marathon. Hopefully he and whoever was 2nd in Prague get the prize money they rightfully earned as the clean winners.

As for this doper, no tragedy there.

^This. Taku really missed out. But Ghost1 of course has a history of supporting disgusting cheaters like Kiprop and Dazza.

I don't support dopers but am aware of frequent mitigating circumstances. With regard to Kiprop, reports from Eldoret and Iten suggest Kiprop will disculpate himself in the near future with some ground breaking revelations. These are not clearcut cases.

Ghost1 wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

^This. Taku really missed out. But Ghost1 of course has a history of supporting disgusting cheaters like Kiprop and Dazza.

I don't support dopers but am aware of frequent mitigating circumstances. With regard to Kiprop, reports from Eldoret and Iten suggest Kiprop will disculpate himself in the near future with some ground breaking revelations. These are not clearcut cases.

It was the toothpaste the whole time!

He is another victim of latent white colonialism in Africa.

casual obsever wrote:

Doped to the Max wrote:

Definitely much more extreme - try 17.4 Hgb (52.2) 0.32 RET%, 140 Off-Score one (1) day before the Prague marathon (99.5 specificity & classic off-phase).

Well, on the other hand, his 17.4 are actually less extreme than a 16.2 for a lady. And Paula's 30% jump in Hgb within days remains unmatched by all these cases I have ever seen.

16.2 for a lady becomes less extreme when the measurement occurs about 1 week after 23 days at 2400m altitude.

But what really shows Dazza is more extreme is the low RET% value, producing a 140 Off-score, off the charts (1 in 100,000 worst case at sea level; 1 in 10,000 worst case at altitude), compared to 109 for Paula (1 in 1,000 worst case at sea level; 1 in 100 worst case at altitude).

And I would expect you of all people wouldn't be fooled by propaganda you only find in British newspapers originating from British reporters. The alleged "30% jump" in Hgb does not survive peer review by experts like Dr. Yorck Olaf Schumacher.

rekrunner wrote:

And I would expect you of all people wouldn't be fooled by propaganda you only find in British newspapers originating from British reporters. The alleged "30% jump" in Hgb does not survive peer review by experts like Dr. Yorck Olaf Schumacher.

Correct. I wouldn't. Please don't imply I would. The 30% isn't just "alleged" by British reporters, in fact you can quickly gather that fact from Paula and the IAAF directly.

And by all means subtract a few percent for dehydration - giving Paula the benefit of doubt that the second test indeed came less than two hours after her 67 minute race in the low to mid 70s, as she claimed.

casual obsever wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

And I would expect you of all people wouldn't be fooled by propaganda you only find in British newspapers originating from British reporters. The alleged "30% jump" in Hgb does not survive peer review by experts like Dr. Yorck Olaf Schumacher.

Correct. I wouldn't. Please don't imply I would. The 30% isn't just "alleged" by British reporters, in fact you can quickly gather that fact from Paula and the IAAF directly.

And by all means subtract a few percent for dehydration - giving Paula the benefit of doubt that the second test indeed came less than two hours after her 67 minute race in the low to mid 70s, as she claimed.

So -- you are not fooled by the propaganda. OK.

We can find this data, like you say, but we cannot be sure that dehydration is the only source, or even the largest source of error in the data. Experts like Schumacher don't advise us to "subtract a few percent", but rather discard the data. And they advise against comparing two data points to arrive at differences like 30%, unless the data was collected according to extensive standards.

Coevett wrote:

Another Moroccan cheating rat has been banned. Fantastic! The only tragedy here is that for every one caught another ten probably never will, including cheats from the past like Aouita and El G.

Now play the race card and accuse me of being a racist and denying every Brit from Harold Abrahams has been doped.

Racist. You've been reported. Now it's up to the mods to decide what kind of place they want LRV to be.

Tin foil wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Another Moroccan cheating rat has been banned. Fantastic! The only tragedy here is that for every one caught another ten probably never will, including cheats from the past like Aouita and El G.

Now play the race card and accuse me of being a racist and denying every Brit from Harold Abrahams has been doped.

Racist. You've been reported. Now it's up to the mods to decide what kind of place they want LRV to be.

What"s triggered you dear? Are you a Moroccan cheating rat too, or are you just upset that another Moroccan cheating rat has been caught?

casual obsever wrote:

survey says wrote:

The tragedy here is that Taku Fujimoto was denied the recognition and fame that would have come from winning his country's most prestigious marathon. Hopefully he and whoever was 2nd in Prague get the prize money they rightfully earned as the clean winners.

As for this doper, no tragedy there.

^This. Taku really missed out. But Ghost1 of course has a history of supporting disgusting cheaters like Kiprop and Dazza.

Case in point the Kiprop doping bust thread. He couldn't believe it despite Kiprop being on the Fancy Bears list and having the Rosas as managers.

Coevett wrote:

I have to say, the Prague marathon and half marathon must be close to the record of having most busted winners.

Aren't you from Prague?

Great opportunity to help the fight against doping then.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Case in point the Kiprop doping bust thread. He couldn't believe it despite Kiprop being on the Fancy Bears list and having the Rosas as managers.

Hahaha, Kiprop, yes, that and being quite a cheat in private life too, to put it mildly, and running 3:26. Quite an obvious case. As for "Kiprop will disculpate himself in the near future with some ground breaking revelations": LOL. On the contrary, he just dropped his appeal.

Which is typical of withdrawals for transfusions. If you look at the graph of his profile this really stands out. According to the report, the initial sample on the eve of the Prague marathon (17.4/0.32/140) is either indicative of an ESA off-phase or a transfusion conducted at that time.

Well...he was training at high altitude which was one of his defenses presented by his medical expert. The problem is altitude isn't going to raise his hematocrit from his base of ~40 to 52 (30%). Lol. If you notice there's a pattern here with all these dopers busted on ABP-hematological cases that continually bring up altitude training as a defense. We've seen itvwith Kiptum, Rutto, the Russians, the Ukrainians and now Dazza. They're simply doping while training at altitude hoping it will be a viable defense if they're flagged & an ABP case is put together. So far, it's not working. Lol.

Of course not if they're macro-doping instead of micro-doping. Dazza going from a base of ~40 to 52 isn't anything near micro-dosing - so it shouldn't be any surprise to them that they're not avoiding detection.

I think Morocco gets aggressive and pushes the envelope higher than some other nations because they get very good results from their doping. Go back and look at their history: Boulami tests positive IC for EPO in 2002 when he set the WR in the steeplechase - a time that still stands today. Then there's Ramzi who wins double-gold at Helsinki with those astronomically high Off-scores (who would have been banned if the ABP was in effect), and either avoided testing positive for EPO or transfused for the events. But his luck ran out in that stunning gold medal performance at Beijing when he was positive IC for CERA. And their female mid-d star, Mariem Alaoui Selsouli, ran 3:56.15 (23rd fastest all time) at a Diamond League meet several years ago but the results were later annulled for doping. Lol.

You're always asking for evidence that doping improves performance with elites - then look no further than Morocco.

It's too bad that whenever a Moroccan breaks out and becomes elite, 9 times out of 10 they get popped. Same with Algeria.

I don't think Algeria is anything close to Morocco. I haven't heard of any breakouts testing positive recently and the only big name from Algeria I can think of that has been banned is Ali Saïdi-Sief.