BRAZIER Confirmed for Monaco!!!

Deanouk

Do you ever tire of boosting Sebastian Coe? We know that Brazier might have faster shoes and a slightly faster track to race on. We know that Coe is the best middle distance runner of all time. We know that you are endlessly stimulated when watching videos of Coe in mid flight. We know that Coe was better than Rudisha and ElG. We know that nobody clean or even dirty can even compare with the pristine Coe. We know Coe is the gold standard when it comes to runners. Thanks for enlightening us and turning a Brazier thread again into one about Coe.

Yeah the straw man is high for Deanouk. Who here had proclaimed that all Brazier needed was a 1:41 to surpass Coe? Yet that was the main thrust of his post, refuting these non-existen people.

Who even cares about Coe in the context of 800m greatness at this point? No gold medals, a barely top-10 mark all time, and clearly surpassed in accolades and times by Kipketer and Rudisha. Those are the guys that Brazier should aspire to topple.

What a joke. Coe and Cruz has good equipment - it’s not three quarters of a second slower than today’s stuff.

Brazier is gonna be running on excitement, plus peak form.

I'd say he goes out in 49-low and pops a 1:41.95.

Deano, you are making too many assumptions. You don't know the shoe Brazier is wearing and he won the World Championship, something Coe never could pull off in '83, '85, or '87, in normal spikes. I think Brazier could run 1:40 barefoot. With him it's about his form and power. He is a stallion like Juantorena, not a science experiment like Coe. Remember, Coe's 1:41 had suspect timing on a track they have since destroyed because it was considered like Stanford's track back in the day. I've seen enough track and field in my time to know that Brazier is the real deal. I think he will threaten the WR quickly and needs to race as much as Rudisha did to refine his skill and sensations over the last 150m when running though 600m in 1:14 or so.

Killerr wrote:

Deanouk

Do you ever tire of boosting Sebastian Coe? We know that Brazier might have faster shoes and a slightly faster track to race on. We know that Coe is the best middle distance runner of all time. We know that you are endlessly stimulated when watching videos of Coe in mid flight. We know that Coe was better than Rudisha and ElG. We know that nobody clean or even dirty can even compare with the pristine Coe. We know Coe is the gold standard when it comes to runners. Thanks for enlightening us and turning a Brazier thread again into one about Coe.

Yeah Deanouk is always off topic. This guy is a joke. I definitely think he's just trolling us sometimes.

Sapel wrote:

You don't know the shoe Brazier is wearing and he won the World Championship, something Coe never could pull off in '83, '85, or '87, in normal spikes.

I think Brazier could run 1:40 barefoot.

Please be aware that you will get a lengthy reply from the worshiper how stupid you are because Coe was injured in 83 and 87 and in 85 there were no world champs at all.

Looking forward for the race. I expect Brazier to be the first under 1:40 for 800m, not this year (but clearly under 1:42), but if he stays healthy for two years he will do it.

Coevett wrote:

Does anyone know what kind of shape Amos is claiming to be in, or if he is even running?

I guess ex-runner might..

Why would I know?

Contrary to belief by some, I don't have any special inside knowledge.

Simply rather than speculate like some, I use readily available 21st century public sources such as Twitter, Instagram, Facebook etc to report the status of athletes whilst others like to claim they are on 'secret doping bans' and other such nonsense.

I would have thought the best people to ask on the subject of Amos' fitness would be Oregon track club as that is where Amos lives and trains. Not in Botswana, as some unpopular spreaders of misinformation like to excrete on this forum.

Amos raced recently at the same meetings as Brazier and I would say he doesn't look in amazing shape. Probably needs some races to sharpen up.

There is no such thing as peaking

donut nut wrote:

Here are the restriction for Monaco only. Seems like you can get in with a negative COVID test.

http://monacodc.org/covid19.html

I don't know how this all works with flight connections.

They might arrange a private jet from North America with a few athletes. He might not have any connections. If this is the case, it might be possible that other Oregon athletes would be on the plane too?

Who would prevail in a 600 meter race?

Warholm or Brazier?

letsrunfortrump wrote:

There is no such thing as peaking

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I'm actually traveling right past Monaco a few days before. So mad I'm gonna miss this meet :(

Whodunit wrote:

Who would prevail in a 600 meter race?

Warholm or Brazier?

Brazier. He wouldn't lose by that much in a 400, maybe by .5. 600 is perfectly in Brazier's wheelhouse. A 500 could be really close, and I think that's where they should meet.

Brazier had a fast pacer in the World's finals, too fast a pacer! Going out in 23's not helpful. Very few have run pr's in world or Olympic finals other than London 2012. Brazier rose much faster than Coe to heights on much less training. Coe had been trained for years and years before he became great. Brazier ran 1:43.55 as a freshman in college to break Jim Ryun's NCAA record by half a second. He struggled for a while, then came back really good the past couple years. 1:42.34 is a great time and he was not challenged the last 300m. At his age, there's every possibility of breaking 1:42 multiple times. No idea on his spikes but he wasn't using the questionable spikes at Doha to my knowledge. Coe did not focus on the 800m and so had fewer quality 800s since he was running 1k and 1500m and mile as well. There's no a priori reason to give against Brazier running low 1:41 at some point. Brazier has equivalent 400m speed, maybe better. His 1500m form looks to be very, very strong, but unfortunately we may not see him attempt a fast paced 1500m. Should be fun.

I'm with you. He is a phenomenal prospect at 800, and I think his resume is going to be very impressive if he continues on. Coe had a very long and different career. Brazier looks like he'll dabble with the 400 and 1500 more than Rudisha(ran 400s, 600s and 1000s occasionally)/Kipketer (almost all just 800s) did, but those are the two to take on if he sticks with the 800 as his event to target times and titles.

I’ll give Brazier 1:41.13. I definitely think he’ll break 1:42. Just my prediction. I’m excited to see this!!!

Is Holloway the best T&F athlete in the world? The guy wins the 110hs. Could compete in any sprint event. Can run 44 seconds as part of the 4x4 relay team. Can long jump 27 feet. If trained as a decathlete from the start we may be looking at the best ever.

Also cleared 2.16m in the high jump in 2014. So yes up to 400, running and hurdling. Can jump horizontally and vertically. No idea on the Throws, but he is not in the super-skinny mold (listed at 6'2, 190).