Masters star Kevin Castille - whom many LRCers thought was on drugs - is banned for testing positive for a steroid

earwaxsniffer wrote:

"Former drug dealer"

LOL

+1

“ Castille’s story was one of the most compelling in the sport. ”. No, it wasn’t.

So as I sit here typing with a strained glute that is leaving me to do swim workouts for the next week or two, I wonder yet again what kind of recovery I could have if I used.

Must be nice, but on the bright side I still have my nuts.? ?

Every person with a fast performance gets at least a few comments on LRC that they have to be using PEDs. I don't see any threads started when someone passes a drug test that the accusations were wrong....

Well, this is sad. I guess I wanted to believe.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

earwaxsniffer wrote:

"Former drug dealer"

LOL

+1

“ Castille’s story was one of the most compelling in the sport. ”. No, it wasn’t.

So as I sit here typing with a strained glute that is leaving me to do swim workouts for the next week or two, I wonder yet again what kind of recovery I could have if I used.

Must be nice, but on the bright side I still have my nuts.? ?

You are just butthurt.

Because even if a test is passed, the accusation is not wrong.

THERE IS NO UBERMENSCH.

So the next obvious ones are the West Coast and Northeast guys using TRT and talking about it on the circuit?

Rhododendron wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

+1

“ Castille’s story was one of the most compelling in the sport. ”. No, it wasn’t.

So as I sit here typing with a strained glute that is leaving me to do swim workouts for the next week or two, I wonder yet again what kind of recovery I could have if I used.

Must be nice, but on the bright side I still have my nuts.? ?

You are just butthurt.

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Definitive proof!

Needles McDoperface wrote:

Meh.... wrote:

For someone with the desire to research or read medical reviews, what benefits would the drug he used give a distance runner?

More lean muscle and improved recovery.

And it also increases hemoglobin - more so with older athletes.

He cost me money twice, once at Gate River Run and once Houston Half. He is also the only American guy in my age group (as of race day) whom I have raced but not beaten.

I had long heard rumors about him, including from a guy he coached. I have consistently said on these boards that rumors shouldn't be the basis for besmirching an athlete's reputation.

We are now beyond rumors, and all of his records should be expunged and he should be heckled at every opportunity.

Meh.... wrote:

What is deca?

Deca = Deca-Durabolin = 19-norandrosterone

Well shucks. Guess I'm not surprised but it's still disappointing to see a masters runner taking PEDs. I have lost money to KC on the masters circuit for age grade prize, not a whole lot but enough for a plane ticket to another race.

That’s the thing: when there’s a guy who never gets beaten, especially in masters. It’s a sure sign to never have an off day, to never be tired at race time, to never have that injury, to never lack a kick.

I still believe that all people near the top should be about the same, and should be trading victories and defeats if they compete regularly.

To cleanly consistently separate from the best is IMO impossible at the elite level, and unlikely at the masters level. Ok maybe Moses.

Maybe.

I should say that where there is actual competition such as tactics in a 1500, the best tactician could win consistently.

Races in lanes, where what you are doing doesn’t directly affect your competition, are different. You are relying not on tactics, but on your own fitness instead.

my problem with the way our system works is - with him having tested positive, a 4 year ban is a punishment of the future but does not thing about the past.

1) shouldn't athletes who test positive have to pay back the ill gotten goods (or at least the USATF levy some kind of fine in proportion to their gain

2) shouldn't athlete records be erased (or at least put a big fat asterisk next to the mart indicating they were later caught doping)

when are we going to make the punishment such that the crime becomes not worth it.

Sprintgeezer, racing in lanes does directly affect your competition. I used to employ tactics all the time over 400m. You can go out out hard, sprint the backstretch, hammer the turn, all to directly influence those in inside lanes.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I should say that where there is actual competition such as tactics in a 1500, the best tactician could win consistently.

Races in lanes, where what you are doing doesn’t directly affect your competition, are different. You are relying not on tactics, but on your own fitness instead.

I know a couple of masters runners who had similar HS credentials as KC, trained as hard as anyone and could not get within 3 min of KC at a 10k. It seemed like it was possible because KC was as light as a feather and ran as smoothly as anyone. But he just kept putting up crazy times that were better than what Olympians and ex-pros were running as masters. I think his life story kept a lot of us fooled or at least hoping that the obvious wasn't true.

shootpost wrote:

The true crime here is he got caught.

Taking a common anabolic steroid that is super easy to detect and only testing at nationals? And you still got caught?!?!?

Come on man a few hours of googling could have prevented that.

Yeah for how little he gets tested it's kind of surprising

SuicidePace wrote:

Every person with a fast performance gets at least a few comments on LRC that they have to be using PEDs. I don't see any threads started when someone passes a drug test that the accusations were wrong....

Do folks seriously still consider a passed test "conclusive" evidence of anything? Seems that testing serves two purposes:

1. Provides positive optics regarding prevention

2. Weeds out the idiots - see Kevin

Yeah, I know, but it only affects inferior runners. You can’t get into the head of the best, which is one reason why they are the best.