Jakob 1:46.4 with perfect pacing for 750m

To me, this seems about right. He's a mile/5k specialist. I wonder how much 800m work he's done lately.

sbeefyk2 wrote:

1:46 for the so-called best runner in the history of the world?

He couldn't even win NCAAs.

but I thought Kipchoge is the best runner in the history of the world?

He should easily be able to run 1:41 then no? Whats Kipchoges 1500 time again?

.2 faster than Harbig.

Halvard take that out of your mouth. Its illegal!!!

cbenson4 wrote:

To me, this seems about right. He's a mile/5k specialist. I wonder how much 800m work he's done lately.

It is tough to draw too much from one race. Maybe if he runs one next week he is 1:45 low. But this current time is neither shockingly slow (i.e. if he ran like a 1:48) or fast (that above mentioned 1:45). It is pretty much right where you would expect a 3:30/13:02 guy to be running.

After years of no competition Makhloufi came back and ran 1:46.33 in shorts over half tights(lol). 4 days later he ran 1 full second faster. With all that time off you wouldn't have been a total fool to think that perhaps he was not going to run any faster that season. If you haven't run this event in years it's going to be hard to judge it. That being said Jakob ran right around what I thought he would. Eventually he will be a force over the 10k when he moves up.

dadsfadsfdasfdsafdas wrote:

It is tough to draw too much from one race. Maybe if he runs one next week he is 1:45 low. But this current time is neither shockingly slow (i.e. if he ran like a 1:48) or fast (that above mentioned 1:45). It is pretty much right where you would expect a 3:30/13:02 guy to be running.

I agree with that. If he race a few more 800s (wich he certainly won't) he would certainly improve, I would go as far as saying that if he dedicated a whole season to it (which wouldn't be worth it) he would be able to run 1:44.

I remember reading somewhere, but can't find it now, that usually, 800m runners need around 4-5 races in a season in order to perform to perform at their best. And also that children improve their times just by racing more 800s (without training), which means that they improve just by learning to gauge their efforts.

The 800m is definitely a hard event to master.

I remember Coe at his peak would open the season with a 1:46.

Jakob runs 1:46 in his second 'race' of the season, in an empty stadium, his first 800 for 3 years and I think only his second since he set the 14 yo age record, beats his PB by over 3 seconds, and it's shockingly slow to the likes of ex-runner.

And he's still only 19.

Solid effort from Jacob- probably a high 1:45 with better pacing.

You old men need to quit arguing and just enjoy T&F.

donkeydoug wrote:

Solid effort from Jacob- probably a high 1:45 with better pacing.

You old men need to quit arguing and just enjoy T&F.

You're right on both ccounts. Ex-runner needs to grow up and chill out. It's only a sport we're discussing

I don't understand the hate for Jakob. Why would anyone NOT want a bit of variety and a super talented European kid thrown into the mix? Even if you are racist against Europeans, surely anybody can see he'll raise the profile of the sport and that will be good for Kenyans and Ethiopian runners too?

It's like if there was a forum in the 70's and EVERYBODY was hating on Henry Rono and calling him overhyped and demanding everybody agree that he"ll always be too slow to compete with European runners.

This forum is toxic. I didn't come in here last night and wouldn't even if Jakob had ran 1:43. Thank God we didn't have LetsRun back in the 80's or it would have killed my enjoyment in witnessing the golden Brit era.

Coevett wrote:

This forum is toxic. I didn't come in here last night and wouldn't even if Jakob had ran 1:43. Thank God we didn't have LetsRun back in the 80's or it would have killed my enjoyment in witnessing the golden Brit era.

No one is forcing you to read this site????

Coevett wrote:

This forum is toxic. I didn't come in here last night and wouldn't even if Jakob had ran 1:43. Thank God we didn't have LetsRun back in the 80's or it would have killed my enjoyment in witnessing the golden Brit era.

You are the toxic one.

Well that's it, he will never match 800+ GOAT Augustine Choge now, obviously.

Coevett wrote:

donkeydoug wrote:

Solid effort from Jacob- probably a high 1:45 with better pacing.

You old men need to quit arguing and just enjoy T&F.

You're right on both ccounts. Ex-runner needs to grow up and chill out. It's only a sport we're discussing

I don't understand the hate for Jakob. Why would anyone NOT want a bit of variety and a super talented European kid thrown into the mix? Even if you are racist against Europeans, surely anybody can see he'll raise the profile of the sport and that will be good for Kenyans and Ethiopian runners too?

It's like if there was a forum in the 70's and EVERYBODY was hating on Henry Rono and calling him overhyped and demanding everybody agree that he"ll always be too slow to compete with European runners.

I think Jakob ran a fantastic time under the circumstances, and if he raced the event more frequently, would undoubtedly go 1:45 or faster. However, asides from the trolling, I think some posters might be frustrated that Jakob is being overhyped, compared to Aouita (probably doped), your British superstars (Coe, Cram, Ovett) and El G already, when we could simply be enjoying T&F. I think is is especially unfair to compair him to Aouita as you have done, because anyone with half a brain knows he was on the sauce (no former clean athlete would coach others to take hgh). Now I`m not gonna pretend to know if El G, your british boys or Jakob are doped but I hope theyre all clean. I just think that we are undermining his achievements by comparing him to more speed based 800/1500 athletes in the 1:41-43 range who do not have the sheer endurance of Jakob, or saying he will not reach GOAT status like Guerrouj.

1:46 is great for a season opening 800 for a 3:30/13:02 strength based athlete, and moronic comments like "he wouldnt win NCAAs" mean nothing. Name me a current NCAA athlete who would beat Jakob in 1500 and 5000. Yeah, thats what I thought. Having said that, he does have a lot of catching up to do in the 5000 as the current group of ethiopians can or have already run in the 12:40s which is way out of Jakobs wheelhouse. It'll be interesting to see how he develops i guess.

Jakob ran a very well paced race in very good conditions. I doubt he can run faster than 1:45 high in perfect conditions as of today.

It looks like he has the distancewise running profile of Bernard Lagat. Not too quick on the 800m and best in the distances from 1500m to 5000m. Lagat carries some WC gold medals in his cupboard remember...

Based on a very strong 2K of 4:50 (running a 54 lap after a mile split of 3:55.5!) and this race I believe he has improved since last year.

Correct on all accounts. I thought Jakob would run 1:45 high but he doesn't race the event often and it definitely takes practice. It would be reasonable to think he could take a second off that time with a few more goes in similarly perfectly paced runs. That's all theoretical though, of course.

I am not sure why people ever compare Jakob to Coe etc, he is absolutely not an 800/1500 runner, neither are any of his brothers. He is a 15/5k guy who thinks his best event will be HM one day.

At the moment he is very competitive over the 1500 but those Ethiopians you mentioned who run the 5k can actually turn a very good 1500/mile also such as Kejelcha. That's the scary part for Jakob. He needs to develop a much faster 1500 to be able to beat them, like El G did.

Coevett wrote:

You're right on both ccounts. Ex-runner needs to grow up and chill out. It's only a sport we're discussing

Says the poster who approaches it with some religious fanaticism. Who lies multiple times a day to verify the results he likes.

Bad Wigins wrote:

800+ GOAT Augustine Choge now, obviously.

How many times have you written that highly debatable statement now? 50? How many more times are you going to write it?