It is interesting how Coevett has a need to pick whites as the best and you have to pick Kenyans.
It is interesting how Coevett has a need to pick whites as the best and you have to pick Kenyans.
Sorry, but you're a racist imbecile. Whether or not they have an advantage over longer distances, they clearly don't have any over the 1500m, let alone the 800m. That's even with the absurd belief that 'everybody has always doped'.
You may as well believe that white people have a genetic advantage at golf.
Kenyans do not dominate the 800m. They do not dominate the 1500m. This despite their near unique sporting culture devoted almost exclusively to running. Ethiopians aren't even a factor at 800m, and only recently produced a couple of elite 1500m runners.
If Kenyans had an advantage at 800/1500 they would absolutely dominate both events, as in having over a dozen each year running under 1:42 and and 3:28. Not 2 guys running a few tenths faster than a white guy did 40 years ago.
If it wasn't for Bernard Ouma, Scotland and Brighton would have more elite 1500m runners than the whole of Kenya right now. Let's not even mention the Ingebrigtsens who just gave Ouma's boys one hell of a beating. One Norwegian family better than the best of 80 million supposedly genetically advantaged Kenyans. So far behind, yeah.
Seyta wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Yes it's absolutely racist on this board to suggest a non-black guy could run as fast as a black guy.
It isn't racist. It's stupid. They're so far behind it's laughable. For anybody whining about drugs, drug testing in athletics didn't even get implemented in 1968, and even then, it was hilariously inadequate. They were testing for substances like alcohol, and unable to detect steroids, even though they all knew they were being used.
All you have to do is look at the women from the Eastern Block to know that for decades, steroid use was rampant beyond anything the East Africans could manage with EPO.
Looking at it from a different perspective, just take most major professional sports in the US. In the NFL, a massively disproportionate number of Samoans play. In the NBA, the vast majority of players are black. You really think that with these utterly disproportionate numbers, genetics tend not to be a factor?
East Africans are exceptional distance runners, just like West Africans are exceptional sprinters. Africans as a whole also tend to be objectively worse at most academic subjects compared to Western and East-Asian counterparts. Whether or not that part is genetic is up for debate, although any studies confirming it will instantly be shouted down or discredited. Yes, this is very racist. That doesn't make it any less true.
And this is why no one now has any respect for black athletes. This is already old, tired left-wing, multiculture propaganda. There's still some of the sad, defeated hardcore holding on to those beliefs but most people realize the truth now and have moved on. Cringy halfwits like seyta will forever clutch their lebroon posters til they live through their pathetic lives.
Oopsie wrote:
Seyta wrote:
It isn't racist. It's stupid. They're so far behind it's laughable. For anybody whining about drugs, drug testing in athletics didn't even get implemented in 1968, and even then, it was hilariously inadequate. They were testing for substances like alcohol, and unable to detect steroids, even though they all knew they were being used.
All you have to do is look at the women from the Eastern Block to know that for decades, steroid use was rampant beyond anything the East Africans could manage with EPO.
Looking at it from a different perspective, just take most major professional sports in the US. In the NFL, a massively disproportionate number of Samoans play. In the NBA, the vast majority of players are black. You really think that with these utterly disproportionate numbers, genetics tend not to be a factor?
East Africans are exceptional distance runners, just like West Africans are exceptional sprinters. Africans as a whole also tend to be objectively worse at most academic subjects compared to Western and East-Asian counterparts. Whether or not that part is genetic is up for debate, although any studies confirming it will instantly be shouted down or discredited. Yes, this is very racist. That doesn't make it any less true.
And this is why no one now has any respect for black athletes. This is already old, tired left-wing, multiculture propaganda. There's still some of the sad, defeated hardcore holding on to those beliefs but most people realize the truth now and have moved on. Cringy halfwits like seyta will forever clutch their lebroon posters til they live through their pathetic lives.
Oh man your post with no facts got him good.....”lebroon” is such a knee-slapped. Your post
Coevett wrote:
80 million supposedly genetically advantaged Kenyans.
Liars gonna lie.
Coevett wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if the others had tried to go with him?
We'll never know because they didn't have the stones.
Coevett wrote:
What about Herb Elliott's 3:35 at Rome in the 1960 final.?
He led.for half the race and won by 3 seconds.
Definitely a good run. Not on the level of Keino in Mexico City, but good nonetheless.
same as it ever was wrote:
Oh man your post with no facts got him good.....”lebroon” is such a knee-slapped. Your post
Lol. I didn't see any "facts" that needed a response.
Really hate that my thread got coopted by Coevett's dumb racial philosophy.
After seeing everybody's contributions I am still with Star on this one. I don't think anyone has put up anything close to 3:29.2 in a front-running effort, particularly after rounds. I think Tim C's in the Top 3 of all 1500 performances with El G's 3:26 WR and Kip Keino's 3:34 to win by 3 seconds at altitude. Loved the Bayi 3:32 in Christchurch, that's a good one too. Definitely a T10 race.
spade detector wrote:
Coevett wrote:
80 million supposedly genetically advantaged Kenyans.
Liars gonna lie.
Every. Single. Day.
birdbeard wrote:
Really hate that my thread got coopted by Coevett's dumb racial philosophy.
After seeing everybody's contributions I am still with Star on this one. I don't think anyone has put up anything close to 3:29.2 in a front-running effort, particularly after rounds. I think Tim C's in the Top 3 of all 1500 performances with El G's 3:26 WR and Kip Keino's 3:34 to win by 3 seconds at altitude. Loved the Bayi 3:32 in Christchurch, that's a good one too. Definitely a T10 race.
Yeah but your thread was really done by Jamin a couple weeks ago. Relax...
birdbeard wrote:
Coevett wrote:
I wonder what would have happened if the others had tried to go with him?
What about Herb Elliott's 3:35 at Rome in the 1960 final.?
He led.for half the race and won by 3 seconds.
If we convert 1 second a lap for cinders to Doha, and take another second off for shoes (conservative), that would be in the same ball park.
Elliot's time is good.
You brought up a better point though, in the discussion for GOAT 1500 is Keino's 3:34 at altitude, beating the best in the world by 3+ seconds.
Keino ran almost a second faster than Elliot at 7,300 feet! It was an off-the-chart performance. Ryun has said many times he thought that was one of his best races. Keino just ran out of his mind.
Awesome run -- but final 400m seemed relatively weak compared to the initial 1100m
not all that stupid really wrote:
Canova said Herb Elliott (and Jim Ryun) are the most talented 1500 runners of all time.
Canova is racist!!! Ban him!!!!!
Lol.
Hard to disagree with the great Canova on this one.
Herb Elliott virtually solo ran 3:34 on a cinders track in 1960 in an Olympic final. He'd just turned 22 and retired soon after, unbeaten for years. He likely didn't get anywhere near his peak. Nobody in the history of the 1500m has been so far ahead of everybody else. Even full throttle El EPO had other full throttle guys who could run 3:26 and 3:27 to push him, and other full throttle freaks to pace him up until the bell.
3:34 on a cinders track is the equivalent of 3:30 on the type of tracks El G ran on. El G didn't break 3:30 until he was around the same age as Herb Elliott. Full throttle EPO. Certainly not solo running.
To believe that Herb Elliott doesn't count because he was white and whites can't run as fast as East Africans, is a level of hardcore racism that is actual mental illness.
Coevett wrote:
not all that stupid really wrote:
Canova said Herb Elliott (and Jim Ryun) are the most talented 1500 runners of all time.
Canova is racist!!! Ban him!!!!!
Lol.
Hard to disagree with the great Canova on this one.
Herb Elliott virtually solo ran 3:34 on a cinders track in 1960 in an Olympic final. He'd just turned 22 and retired soon after, unbeaten for years. He likely didn't get anywhere near his peak. Nobody in the history of the 1500m has been so far ahead of everybody else. Even full throttle El EPO had other full throttle guys who could run 3:26 and 3:27 to push him, and other full throttle freaks to pace him up until the bell.
3:34 on a cinders track is the equivalent of 3:30 on the type of tracks El G ran on. El G didn't break 3:30 until he was around the same age as Herb Elliott. Full throttle EPO. Certainly not solo running.
To believe that Herb Elliott doesn't count because he was white and whites can't run as fast as East Africans, is a level of hardcore racism that is actual mental illness.
IF Canova said that, it shows he knows little about the sport, and you know even less, as Elliott NEVER ran 3:34. Elliott and Ryun were great but anyone with intelligence knows that they were not the most talented ever. Both were incredibly hard workers and incredibly talented though.
Yeah, right.
I think Herb Elliott was amazing, but not sure if his Olympic win is the best. I prefer it to Keino in 1968, but Bayi was a stunning performance.
I don’t really rate the Ngeny performance (as much as I enjoyed races at the time, I have a clouded view of the era, and frankly it is far inferior to Daniel Komens majestic 3k which has to be the greatest 3k ever, EPO or not).
I think Rudisha has the best 800m from 2012, with Coes solo run in second. It seems strange that my favourite 800 and 3k races are the quickest ever, but the 1500 isn’t
Coevett wrote:
Kenyans do not dominate the 800m. They do not dominate the 1500m. This despite their near unique sporting culture devoted almost exclusively to running. Ethiopians aren't even a factor at 800m, and only recently produced a couple of elite 1500m runners.
Among top 25 all time best performers at 800M there are 11 kenyans (kipketer being a kenyan)
5 in the top 10.
Even more impressinve : among the top 30 fastest time, 22 are made by Kenyans.
In the 1500, it's 12/25, 6/10
If that is not dominating, i don't what it is. Kenya is by far the best 800/1500 talent producer country
Even though their domination is not as strong as in 3000/5000/10000 they still dominate shorter middle distance.
Cheruyiot 3'29 is worth around 3'27 in perfect conditions, not better.
[quote]Coevett wrote:
Kenyans do not dominate the 800m. They do not dominate the 1500m.
2019 World Champs (men): 1500m Gold Kenya.
2017 WC: 1500m Gold and Silver Kenya.
2016 OG:
2015 WC: 1500m Gold Kenya
2013 WC: 1500m Gold Kenya
2011 WC: 1500m Gold and Silver Kenya
Impala31 wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Kenyans do not dominate the 800m. They do not dominate the 1500m. This despite their near unique sporting culture devoted almost exclusively to running. Ethiopians aren't even a factor at 800m, and only recently produced a couple of elite 1500m runners.
Among top 25 all time best performers at 800M there are 11 kenyans (kipketer being a kenyan)
5 in the top 10.
Even more impressinve : among the top 30 fastest time, 22 are made by Kenyans.
In the 1500, it's 12/25, 6/10
If that is not dominating, i don't what it is. Kenya is by far the best 800/1500 talent producer country
Even though their domination is not as strong as in 3000/5000/10000 they still dominate shorter middle distance.
I'm not sure what Coevetts point is, but I'll state mine on this matter again.
Kenya and Ethiopia produce great runners because they try. Just like the US and Jamaica tries at sprinting. Or the Brazilians try at football.
The 800m is not a preferred distance in Ethiopia. Mohammed Aman has said in interviews that everyone in his country tried to get him to move up and run the 5000m even. If they wanted to, they could produce many great 800m runners.
Scotland is currently enjoying a rich vein of talent in the 1500m. Why is that? Most likely it is due to the fact that Scottish runners have been sticking it out and trying to make it and the home competition spurs eachother on.
There is no genetic reason and nothing to do with doping either.
We have Jake Wightman, Chris O'Hare, Josh Kerr, Neil Gourley, Jemma Reekie and Laura Muir.
Why Coevett can't understand that these factors exist in places like Kenya and Ethiopia I'll never know.
But I know this: when the money in the sport is improved Britain will once again produce fine middle and long distance runners. Along with Kenya, Ethiopia, Norway, Spain, France, Morocco, Algeria, USA and everywhere else.