Now that's telling it like it is wrote:
Coevett wrote:
It's funny all these 'unbeatable' records were set within 5 years or so of each other in the full throttle era.
Dopers like ex-runner will say it's a coincidence, but what you really mean when you say unbeatable is - 'can't be broken without full throttle epo'.
+1
Yeah! Just like all the British national records
Good point!
8:06.11 Women's 3000m.
ex-runner wrote:
Seyta wrote:
Daniel Komen ran a 3:29 1500m, a 3:46 mile, and a 12:39 5000m.
He was a better 1500m runner than Alan Webb, and as strong a 5000m runner as Haile Gebrselassie.
There is absolutely no runner, including Bekele, who had the unique range to beat that 3000m record.
Don't shoot me but...
Mo Farah
I wouldn't be able to shoot you even if I wanted to because I'm laughing too hard to aim properly.
Wearing my Jean-pants today wrote:
ex-runner wrote:
Don't shoot me but...
Mo Farah
I wouldn't be able to shoot you even if I wanted to because I'm laughing too hard to aim properly.
Lmao POD
Agree on the men’s side. The longest jump this century is 8” short of the record. On the women’s side there are a slew of steroid driven records from the 80’s.
666666 wrote:
Wearing my Jean-pants today wrote:
I wouldn't be able to shoot you even if I wanted to because I'm laughing too hard to aim properly.
Lmao POD
How about el Guerrouj? Watch his one serious 3k attempt, 7:23.09 in Brussels in 1999; the pacing was terrible. It was a month after he set still standing 3:43.13 mile WR, a week after he won 1500 WC in still standing CR 3:27.65 and 4 days before he set the 4:44.79 2k WR. I think if he had been doing more training for longer stuff at that point in his career, and with better pacing, he might have had a shot. He didn’t move up to the 5k until 4 years later at the end of his career and still managed to run 12:50.24 and won 2 global medals.
I could see Farah getting down near 7:25 like Geb, Bekele and Morceli. But I guess we’ll never know.
666666 wrote:
Wearing my Jean-pants today wrote:
I wouldn't be able to shoot you even if I wanted to because I'm laughing too hard to aim properly.
Lmao POD
I'm just saying 3:28 and likely sub 12:45 ability.
El Guerrouj could have. Komen's first attempt he ran 7:25 or so. And the second attempt. El G ran 7:23 flat first try with poor pacemaking.
He held exactly the credentials required. 3:26 man and beat prime 12:37 Bekele in the 5k.
Really?.All the British records were set in the full throttle EPO era?
I thought no Brit got near them when EPO was available and there was no testing for it??
O r are you just being an imbecile again?
Coevett wrote:
Really?.All the British records were set in the full throttle EPO era?
I thought no Brit got near them when EPO was available and there was no testing for it??
O r are you just being an imbecile again?
The British (and world at the time) records were all being set and reset in a 5 year period. I think that was pretty clear.
Kipchoge 1:59:40 marathon
Bear wrote:
Agree on the men’s side. The longest jump this century is 8” short of the record. On the women’s side there are a slew of steroid driven records from the 80’s.
22.63 Natalia Lisovskaya.
The longest throw this century was 21.24 by Val Adams. (She ranks 22nd all time.)
76.80 Gabrielle Reinsch.
The longest throw this century was 71. 41 by Sandra Perkovic. (She ranks 15th all time.)
long jump wr is in danger from echevarria, but there are also other great young talents
jme: age=21
pb= 8.68
wind=3.3: 8.92
overstepped by ~10cm: 8.90
Not a track record, but no one is going to go more than 303km in 24 hours like YK did in 1997.
runlikegump wrote:
Not a track record, but no one is going to go more than 303km in 24 hours like YK did in 1997.
Yiannis ran his record on a track. No one will break it cause no one has the kahunas.
Seyta wrote:
Daniel Komen ran a 3:29 1500m, a 3:46 mile, and a 12:39 5000m.
He was a better 1500m runner than Alan Webb, and as strong a 5000m runner as Haile Gebrselassie.
There is absolutely no runner, including Bekele, who had the unique range to beat that 3000m record.
I didn't say that he wouldn't still have the record, I just said if it wasn't an off-distance event (and it is no longer an off-distance event) there would be a lot of times close to it. I agree that Bekele probably didn't have the speed for 7:20. Geb might've been able to get fairly close if he ran it more often.
I think both El G and Lagat would've been able to scare it, however. I think both of them could have ran a 5000m time in the 12:42 - 12:48 range if they ran it as often as Komen and had way more speed than Komen did. El G ran 7:23.09 in his one real attempt at 3K.
1:53.28 for me. Even Caster Semenya couldn't come close. Though 1:54.01 Pamela Jelimo would've scared it on a track like Monaco.
Jakob Ingebretson
Selemon Barega
Yomif Kejelcha
Samuel Tefera
maybe Edward Cheserek
with proper training/race day/competition one of them could get close.
321boomunbanned wrote:
74.08 by a drugged beyond belief kraut that never on any other occasion even threw 70...
the best thrower of all time got within 20 cm at his peak, only one other clean man ever even surpassed 73 m... or 72
Schult does have one other throw over 70. That being said, the throws and jumps are the events that are most likely to have a record broken out of the blue. Look at Beamon's LJ in Mexico City or Carter's high school shot. Mike Powell's improved his best jump by 11" when he broke the WR in Tokyo.
In field events, sometimes you just hit everything perfectly and the implement (or your body) just flies like a bird.
To the original question, I would go with FloJo's 10.49 100m. Doped to the gills AND a malfunctioning wind gauge when it was clearly a strong tailwind. It's impossible to be that doped today and not get caught.
We are here discussing world records of events not normally competed.
Stop. It isn't the 3k, It isn't the 50 miler, the 24 hr run.
You know what is competed at every single track meet and every single good sprinter runs? The 100m dash.
9.58 and 10.49.
ex-runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Really?.All the British records were set in the full throttle EPO era?
I thought no Brit got near them when EPO was available and there was no testing for it??
O r are you just being an imbecile again?
The British (and world at the time) records were all being set and reset in a 5 year period. I think that was pretty clear.
At the height of the EPO era, or before it you imbecile?
4 unbeatable world record holders from 3 different African countries where the only commonality was corruption, lack of testing, and availability of peds, all within a 5 year period in a brief window of zero testing for EPO. As soon as EPO tests became more effective and followed by the ABP, nobody gets near to them, with the one exception of Kiprop - who was busted for EPO.
There's nothing unusual with 3 great sportsmen appearing together at the same time from one country. That's often how it works. Was Becker, Stich, and Steffi Graff all part of a West German doping ring? Or is that just how it happens sometimes in one country, with a set of circumstances such as peak participation, rivalry, good coaching set ups etc? New Zealand distance running was obviously the same in the 60's and 70's.
And stop derailing threads you doping moron.