Jakob and Henrik Ingebrigtsen are back!! Running road 5k on Wed. aiming to smash Norwegian road record of 13:37

Coevett wrote:

The Ingebrigtsens will have some decent races under their belt by the end of this season and it looks likely that most of their competitors will have nothing, and the likes of Manangoi having to do hard physical work on the bean farm just to pay the bills.

According to ex-runner, even Jake Wightman and Charlie Grice will have to get part-time jobs in McDonalds or Burger King before the end of the season.

It's surprising to see Jakob say the 5000 is his best event (before moving up to the half-marathon). That might be the case but he will always have doped up Epiopians to contend with there. He surely would have medalled in the 1500 if he hadn't been tired from his 5000 efforts in Doha.

Since your opinion is really unbiaised and you seem to know a lot about Jakob and his brothers, do you think the Ingebrigtsen + Warholm could break the medley relay WR without pacemaking (or at best light pace making) ? The record is 9:15.5

I think it is logical that Jakob´s best disciplines will be the long runs. His training has been almost only aerobic exercise for many years and that is also where his talent is (he is not a sprinter).

He has been training aerobically from a very young age being able to run 8k in 30 minutes when 10 years old. From around the age of 13 he has been training after the same schedule as his older brothers but initially only 50 % hereof.

His mileage has gradually been increased during the years but first recently to the same level as his brothers. But it is obvious when yo see him compete that his greatest asset is his aerobic capacity. So his training has really been more suitable for the 5000m than the 1500m as also pointed out by the brothers themselves.

When Jakob feels confident about his current shape and future possibilities I am quite sure this it is based on the times/ numbers from their training, especially their repetitions which are run at lactate number 3.2-3.3 (well under the treshold to anaerobic exercise). Many years ago when Henrik was still in his teens he ran 10-12 1000m repetitions in just under 3:10 per km. Some few years ago they ran the same 1000m reps in about 2:55. But last season Jakob and Filip ran even faster (I guess around 2:50 per km). Henrik could not follow the youngsters anymore.

I think that Jakob is running even faster at the same lactate number this year and that is the basis for his optimism.

The times of his 1000m reps have a close correlation the socalled treshold pace(treshold to anaerobic exercise) which is the pace you can sustain for 1 hour without "drowning" in lactate.

Jakob´s treshold pace has been measured by a Norwegian professor since he was 10-11 and his numbers have - considering his age - been extreme year after year. The numbers have been kept secrete for the last 3 years but it was rumoured in the beginning of 2018 (when he was 17) that his pace was between 21 and 22km per hour. My guess is that his treshold pace now is above 22km per hour. So it is not out of the blue that he claims he will do "extremely well" in the half marathon. 22km per hour equals a half marathon in under 58 minutes.

Video of the interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi-_19FTSCk

13:21 and 13:41.

I do not think he is nowhere near 58 flat shape. Hopefully he will run sub-13 this fall.

yyy wrote:

I do not think he is nowhere near 58 flat shape. Hopefully he will run sub-13 this fall.

Wouldn't it be easier and less confusing just to say you think he is in near 58 flat shape?

oh boy, how convoluted:)

If I am right that his current treshold pace is above 22km per hour he would be able to run close to 58 in a half marathon in the end of next week. He just have to relax with easy jogging some days to be fresh.

Of course it should be a fast route (as Valencia or Copenhagen), reasonable weather conditions, good pacemaking and quality competitors.

Remember he ran 10k road on 27:54 with no special preparations in the end of 2019. Under rainy, chilly (6 degrees celsius) and hilly conditions.

I see no problem for him in running 21k. He has averaged 25k per day for years in training.

YES!!

But Henrik might be the weak link perhaps? The efforts of the three would count for nothing if Henrik wasn't in great mile shape.

Do they need 3 teams to have it count as world record?

objectiveobserver wrote:

If I am right that his current treshold pace is above 22km per hour he would be able to run close to 58 in a half marathon in the end of next week. He just have to relax with easy jogging some days to be fresh.

Of course it should be a fast route (as Valencia or Copenhagen), reasonable weather conditions, good pacemaking and quality competitors.

Remember he ran 10k road on 27:54 with no special preparations in the end of 2019. Under rainy, chilly (6 degrees celsius) and hilly conditions.

I see no problem for him in running 21k. He has averaged 25k per day for years in training.

You're saying a lot of sh*t now, there is absolutely no way Jakob could break the doped up HM record of Geoffroy Kamworor before he's at least 25 or 26. And even then, it's very unlikely. He would need to run two road 10k in 27:29 and keep going for more than a k.

Agreed that his threshold pace is not 22km/h. But is Kamworor on the juice?

objectiveobserver wrote:

22km per hour equals a half marathon in under 58 minutes.

Your observations are objectively terrible.

macdaddy wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

22km per hour equals a half marathon in under 58 minutes.

Your observations are objectively terrible.

I’m just glad that we’re arguing about a track athlete that majority know little details and specifics of, rather than arguing about a virus that the majority know little detail or specifics of. Oddly refreshing.

Jakob's running? Would say make sure Coevett has a towel handy?

Thanks.

His threshold pace is 21.5-22kph. He has posted videos of this.

But it was on a treadmill. That is a lot different from a road at that speed because of the lack of wind resistance. I think he could still go under 60, but I don't think he could run a world record.

European record is 13.18 by Gressier. In nice conditions i bet Jakob will run between 13.10 and 13.20

Trevelyan Harper wrote:

I guess there isn't a way to watch it?

UPDATE: I was told today that the race will be broadcast in its entirety, live, on Wed at 8pm CET on NRK. Supposedly an announcement will be made later this evening. The field will include the Ingebrigtsens and Zerei as mentioned previously. Sondre Moen is out. I will post remaining field if I find out.

Yes, Sondre is out, he is corona-stuck in Kenya!