Kenyan sportswriter Katami Michelle reporting that both the Rosas and Volare (Dennis Kimetto, Wilson Kipsang, Geoffrey Mutai etc.) have been suspended 6 months pending doping investigations.
https://twitter.com/MichKatami/status/587601946460164097
And London is coming right up...
She also reports Athletics Kenya president Isaiah Kiplagat is taking a leave of absence, coincidentally, and may not come back.
Is this true?
Does that mean the marathon world records in recent year are all of a joke ?
Other Kenyan journalists are also reporting it now. Saddique Shaban:
https://twitter.com/SaddiqueShaban/status/587603252604235776
Shaban tweeted links to athletes represented by these two agencies.
Rosa (Chumba, Jeilan, Karoki, Kwambai, Tanui etc.)
http://www.athleticsmanagers.com/users/46/69/federico-rosa.html
Volare (Kimetto, Kipsang, Geoffrey Mutai, Some etc.):
Volare's list is now coming up as an error. Did they just take it down? Bad moon rising.
reader of twitter wrote:
Volare's list is now coming up as an error. Did they just take it down? Bad moon rising.
Here is an archived version from Dec. 2014:
http://web.archive.org/web/20141224130706/http://volaresports.nl/profiles-overviewAs I watched Kenyan after Kenyan cross the line in the Paris Marathon yesterday I wondered ...
reader of twitter wrote:
Kenyan sportswriter Katami Michelle reporting that both the Rosas and Volare (Dennis Kimetto, Wilson Kipsang, Geoffrey Mutai etc.) have been suspended 6 months pending doping investigations.
https://twitter.com/MichKatami/status/587601946460164097And London is coming right up...
She also reports Athletics Kenya president Isaiah Kiplagat is taking a leave of absence, coincidentally, and may not come back.
Kiplagat is taking a leave of absence to run for IAAF Vice President
From the other thread:
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2015/04/13/ak-suspends-rosa-volare-for-six-months/
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Do I read it well and Asbel Kiprop is complaining keeping his manager out of Kenya will impact his season? Why would that matter so much?
Anyway, this story looks like it is going to get big.
grox wrote:
From the other thread:
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2015/04/13/ak-suspends-rosa-volare-for-six-months/.
Do I read it well and Asbel Kiprop is complaining keeping his manager out of Kenya will impact his season? Why would that matter so much?
Anyway, this story looks like it is going to get big.
His agent isn't allowed to work for him anywhere. Or rather, the Kenyan athletes aren't allowed to work with Rosa & Associati or Volare Sports. So they have no agent all of a sudden.
AK is going to appoint someone to take care of the agent duties for the Rosa and Volare athletes.
Another interesting part:
He added Dutchman Van der Veen has cases in his camp he could not reveal at since they would compromise the investigations.
Seems like all the top Kenyans save Rudisha are splashed by this taint.
grox wrote:
Another interesting part:
He added Dutchman Van der Veen has cases in his camp he could not reveal at since they would compromise the investigations.
Narrows down the pool of athletes who could be the "Two major marathon winner"
Kiprop isn't doing anything to help the image by saying that bad runners dope, and aren't as good as the clean runners at the top...
Hermiens will be next, Rosas and Van der Veen are so obvious it is silly. The Kenyan ship will sink further with the Other Italians getting busted. Ethiopia won't let testers in - there is a problem there than greatly exceeds that in Kenyan
All very interesting, but it's hard to read too much into this yet, given how bizarre and unfair the behavior of Athletics Kenya tends to be. Trust me, I'm not trying to say that widespread doping doesn't exist in Kenya (I'm convinced it does); it's just that I could also see this as some kind of in-fighting or scapegoating.
DubbleDutch wrote:
Hermiens will be next, Rosas and Van der Veen are so obvious it is silly. The Kenyan ship will sink further with the Other Italians getting busted. Ethiopia won't let testers in - there is a problem there than greatly exceeds that in Kenyan
If this poster is correct, that Ethiopia won't let testers in, than it needs to be reported. Does anyone have evidence of this? The fact that this poster can't spell people's names correctly rather undermines their credibility, but they might still know what they are talking about.
They've been getting away with it for 20 years
Millions in prize money on the roads
I disagree with you on that, with a few positive test of late, Kenya is still a power house in athletics and it's success can't Just be because they dope.
Bargor wrote:
I disagree with you on that, with a few positive test of late, Kenya is still a power house in athletics and it's success can't Just be because they dope.
Maybe Kenyan success isn't ENTIRELY based on dope, but it's also impossible to say exactly how good they "really" are. We don't know when the rot set in. There seems to be a common argument that the Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best runners anyway if everyone was clean, so it doesn't make much difference. But what if almost all the examples of fast Kenyan runners from the last 20 years, on whom we based that reasoning, were doped? What if the use of EPO, etc, is as widespread in Kenya as some claim? Then the same argument looks kind of circular: Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best anyway, because look at all the really fast doped runners they had in the past.
It'll be interesting to see if this latest news amounts to anything.
Dope Hard, Win Easy wrote:
Bargor wrote:I disagree with you on that, with a few positive test of late, Kenya is still a power house in athletics and it's success can't Just be because they dope.
Maybe Kenyan success isn't ENTIRELY based on dope, but it's also impossible to say exactly how good they "really" are. We don't know when the rot set in. There seems to be a common argument that the Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best runners anyway if everyone was clean, so it doesn't make much difference. But what if almost all the examples of fast Kenyan runners from the last 20 years, on whom we based that reasoning, were doped? What if the use of EPO, etc, is as widespread in Kenya as some claim? Then the same argument looks kind of circular: Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best anyway, because look at all the really fast doped runners they had in the past.
It'll be interesting to see if this latest news amounts to anything.
Question: How many top Kenyan men have tested positive? I believe the answer is zero.
Question 2: How many top Kenyan women have tested positive? I believe the answer is one.
Sure out of competition testing isn't as rigorous over there, but come on - let's not make giant assumptions here that they all dope.
Dope Hard, Win Easy wrote:
There seems to be a common argument that the Kenyans may be doping, but they'd be the best runners anyway if everyone was clean, so it doesn't make much difference. But what if almost all the examples of fast Kenyan runners from the last 20 years, on whom we based that reasoning, were doped?
Well statement B isn't what I base statement A on. Go run a 10k "road" race in Kenya sometime - you won't be surprised about Kenyan success, with or without dope, after that.
Here's a write-up on the situation :
http://running.competitor.com/2015/04/news/athletics-kenya-suspends-top-athletes-agents_126244
Might be scapegoating indeed, especially after Rosa's comments after Jeptoo got popped, and his shipping in a testing machine...