renato's "specific period" any marathoners doing this?

The first workout sounds a bit crazy, but if it works for Renato and his athletes, why not try it. Crazy workouts seemed to pay off for Seko as well. Probably different if are you are a true endurance runner or a 10k runner moving into longer distances. I am more marathoner than anything, so 103% of MP for 15K is difficult to accomplish in training, let alone trying it twice in 12 hours or so. Sounds fun though, good luck! Pushing the limits is always risky, but we aren't doing it enough to reach the levels of the runners before us (excluding the very top runners who are obviously doing something right)!

That looks like too much if you are running less than 100 miles per week. That doesn't mean that if you are running 100+ miles per week that it isn't too much.

Did you get these workouts from renato's literature sold through the IAAF?

Pre, you gotta be on mega mileage to train like that

i did his first rep session on Saturday

8 x 2k at goal marathon pace followed by 1k at 30 seconds below mp

i'm doing London on April 18

well, i've been at 110 for 8 weeks on renat's periods,

i've just never done the 10k--and a 12k a.m.

followed by same in the pm

but in his book he list a lot of examples of his athletes doing this---in his words--just before their goal race.

i did his 6x3000 at 105% followed by 1k rec. and was fine, and i've done the 4 x 5000 at mp pace, and was ok,

ran a halfthon and pr'd yesterday, so i think i'm ok

I'm going to try it, and see if I should do it twice in

30 days...

i wouldnt worry too much...its probably all associated with stress and tesnion from the nervous system...i hada link for you to click but cant seem to find it

running stress and autonomic nervous system stress are

two different animals, but the link is

www.runningpain.com

Pre, are you going for sub 2.20?

I have his book also. His book is geared specifically towards the elite. I have no idea what your ability is, but if you read his mileage recommendations, he suggests around 180 miles/wk during the intro period and 150 during the specific period (not during the taper of course). 110 might be considered a lot in the states, but on a global scale it is not.

That being said, if it works for you, then keep doing it.

Good luck.

no,no,no,

i'm agressive at 2:40. i'm a 43 old white, slow guy

what renato would call a enduring runner not a fast runner.

i agree book is geared to elite, however, it is also

put in Percentage of MP, so his examples will always be

elite examples but it can be tailored to our level

2ton,

where is his mileage totals in the book for periods, i have missed that, although i'm to debating the 180/150...just did not see that in print.

pre101 wrote:

2ton,

where is his mileage totals in the book for periods, i have missed that, although i'm to debating the 180/150...just did not see that in print.

p49 - near the bottom of the page.

pre, let me get this straight,

you are only 2 years older than me

you are running 110 mpw, and doing mega Renato Canova sessions

but you are only aiming for 2.40?

i don't get it, with the training you are doing you should be 20 minutes faster.

for 2.40 you should be doing a lot less training than that.

that's the problem with American distance. You want to run fast but you dont want to do the work. what is this that i am hearing you either follow the progarm or you dont. dont try and change Renato's program to fit your schedule. when things goes wrong you will complain.

Just get out and run

geeeeeeeezzzz this people

pantman, thanks, got it.

johnny, i am what i am, I ran a 1:17:49 in Carlsbad yesterday, in the SD half.--kinda tough course, so

i say OK, 1:17 half--means a 2:40 full maybe,

i'm a 16:45 min. 5ker, not that much speed, so i'm going higher mileage to get my marathon time down.

my 7x3k was at 6:10 pace

my 4x5k was at 6:15 pace

I'm sorry Pre, to me it all seems too much training for the times you are running.

with as much running as that you should be about 8% bodyfat

what is your percentage approximately?

when you say I am what I am, it implies that you believe you cant run fast times and yet you are training even harder than me, but running a lot slower.

I have not met any genetically inferior runners in the physical sense, and i don't believe that you are physically inferior to me.

that's not what i mean,

i mean it is relative is it not.

i know guys 10 years younger than me that run 120 a week and they are running a 3:10 marathon.

i think that i can run much faster, this has been my first full 12 months back to training in about 5 years

so next year with same training sched. i'm running 2:36, maybe faster.

bodyfat%--it's low--5%

o.k. Pre now I understand 5 years out is a long time at age 43, yes you should get much faster in the next year and for a few years after that too.