Basically if you change your story just by a tiny fraction they can claim you lied and put you in a cage.
Basically if you change your story just by a tiny fraction they can claim you lied and put you in a cage.
The second he opens his mouth under oath he will lie, or "perjury" happens. Most of what he says is a lie, so ...
Sand Dunes wrote:
Basically if you change your story just by a tiny fraction they can claim you lied and put you in a cage.
Gonna have to take issue with your phrasing - if you change your story you did lie, they don't just claim that you did... and there is no real reason to change your story. You’d only do it if you were a. Guilty or b. Stupid, so basically Donald Trump.
Man of facts wrote:
Sand Dunes wrote:
Basically if you change your story just by a tiny fraction they can claim you lied and put you in a cage.
Gonna have to take issue with your phrasing - if you change your story you did lie, they don't just claim that you did... and there is no real reason to change your story. You’d only do it if you were a. Guilty or b. Stupid, so basically Donald Trump.
You don't understand do you? When you tell your friend a story the first time vs the second time you tell it, it is going be little different. That is what I mean.
Sand Dunes wrote:
Basically if you change your story just by a tiny fraction they can claim you lied and put you in a cage.
If 45 says I didn't know anything about a meeting with the Russians and then later he says he did know about the meeting.......is that an example of changing your story just by a tiny fraction?
Pookie Washington wrote:
Sand Dunes wrote:
Basically if you change your story just by a tiny fraction they can claim you lied and put you in a cage.
Can you please give us a specific example of what Trump could say to put himself in that situation?
Well when it comes to trump if I was his lawyer I wouldn't let him speak with how crazy he talks. Quote:
"Legal experts say Mr. Clinton should not be fooled by what will likely be general, stage-setting queries from prosecutors at the start. Soon enough, the tone will shift sharply. The questions will become more pointed and specific, the topics more graphic.
Prosecutors will be on the hunt for any inconsistencies or contradictions between his account and the evidence."
So any little changes or inconsistency in any minute detail could get you.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-to-avoid-perjury-trap/Sand Dunes wrote:
Man of facts wrote:
Gonna have to take issue with your phrasing - if you change your story you did lie, they don't just claim that you did... and there is no real reason to change your story. You’d only do it if you were a. Guilty or b. Stupid, so basically Donald Trump.
You don't understand do you? When you tell your friend a story the first time vs the second time you tell it, it is going be little different. That is what I mean.
So now you aren't even pretending to not defend Trump, lol, gig is up Jamin
lol, full blown Jamism now! wrote:
Sand Dunes wrote:
You don't understand do you? When you tell your friend a story the first time vs the second time you tell it, it is going be little different. That is what I mean.
So now you aren't even pretending to not defend Trump, lol, gig is up Jamin
I'm not a trump supporter. It's called trying to give a balanced view on something. You should try it. I hate the bipartisanship/duopoly we have in America. From my point of view there is no difference between democrats and republicans. This is just to distract the masses from the real b.s. that is being done by the government. As Tom Woods says, "There are only two (major) parties today: The Stupid Party and The Evil Party. Once in a while the two parties get together to do something that is both stupid and evil, and that's called Bipartisanship."
A perjury trap can take many forms:
1. As already noted, they can ask the same question multiple times and if the answer varies by the smallest amount > perjury.
2. They already know where you were on May 15 2016 but they ask you anyway. If you guess and get it wrong > perjury.
3. They have information gathered from other people that may or may not be true. If you say anything that contradicts that information, even if what you say is true, they can still charge you with perjury. You will eventually be found to be innocent, but by that time you've already been impeached.
There's probably more but those are in the bag of Mueller's tricks. Keep in mind that the prosecutors hired by Mueller are known for their dirty tricks so there's every reason to believe they will try these traps. If Mueller had any evidence of a crime, there would be no need to question Trump. They would just present the evidence and impeachment would ensue. But they aren't so therefore we can conclude that they are trying to manufacture a crime which would most likely be a perjury trap. The more you talk, the more likely you are to fall into a perjury trap, and Trump talks a lot!
Sand Dunes wrote:
Basically if you change your story just by a tiny fraction they can claim you lied and put you in a cage.
Perjury refers only to willfully lying under oath. Whatever may have been said outside of that situation is not relevant in the context of perjury. Changing your story would damage you credibility, but it's not perjury if the the story under oath is accurate.
A perjury trap usually refers to a prosecutor luring the subject into giving false testimony for reasons other than covering up the alleged crime with the intent to prosecute for the act of perjury rather than the alleged crime.
Trump's legal team is negotiating rule out questions (Comey's firing) which are clearly relevant to the investigation. This indicates that their strategy is postponing any interview under oath while placing the blame for the delay on Mueller's team's bad faith actions. So in this case perjury trap means "smoke screen".
DiscoGary wrote:
A perjury trap can take many forms:
1. As already noted, they can ask the same question multiple times and if the answer varies by the smallest amount > perjury.
2. They already know where you were on May 15 2016 but they ask you anyway. If you guess and get it wrong > perjury.
3. They have information gathered from other people that may or may not be true. If you say anything that contradicts that information, even if what you say is true, they can still charge you with perjury. You will eventually be found to be innocent, but by that time you've already been impeached.
There's probably more but those are in the bag of Mueller's tricks. Keep in mind that the prosecutors hired by Mueller are known for their dirty tricks so there's every reason to believe they will try these traps. If Mueller had any evidence of a crime, there would be no need to question Trump. They would just present the evidence and impeachment would ensue. But they aren't so therefore we can conclude that they are trying to manufacture a crime which would most likely be a perjury trap. The more you talk, the more likely you are to fall into a perjury trap, and Trump talks a lot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&t=11s
Gary, did you also think the the Bill Clinton investigation was fair? How did you feel about his impeachment? Starr took 4 years! If he had anything wouldn’t he had released it much earlier?
Republicans crying foul over the Mueller investigation while supporting the Starr investigation 25 yrs ago are hypocritical.
Alan
Rudy is right! He is a very smart lawyer, believe me. Nobody is a better lawyer than Rudy.
A perjury trap is like a sand trap on a golf course. If I hit my ball into a sand trap, I pick it up and throw it onto the fairway or the green. No penalty.
That's how I'm going to handle this perjury trap.
It isn't as easy as not changing your story. As previously mentioned you could be charged even if your testimony was truthful because it contradicted someone else's story. But the bigger risk is they ask some obscure thing and he gets it wrong.
For example, someone asks me what my last half marathon time was. I tell them the time and then as I walk away I remember that the time I gave them was what I was expecting to run and not what I actually ran. Maybe that never happened to you but it happens to some of us a lot. Trump brags/exaggerates a lot, he talks a lot and he has much more on his plate than us. It will be very easy for him to get small details wrong. All they have to do is ask him is how many people came to his wedding and he probably won't have the correct number. He will then be guilt in every D's eyes.
Pookie Washington wrote:
I hear Giuliani and other right ringers say that Mueller is trying to set up Trump in a PERJURY TRAP. If he is totally honest and doesn't lie......how can Trump be trapped? Please explain.
lol at the most anti law enforcement officer poster on this board playing the "if you're not going to lie" card.
One example of a perjury trap was when Bill Clinton was facing a sexual harassment suit by Paula Jones and an investigation into real estate investments.
Clinton was then confronted with questions about an alleged sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky. Clinton perjured himself by stating that he did not have sexual relations with that woman, when in fact he did.
So, the trap was being asked questions about a subject separate from the topic.
He still did a crappy thing and lied about it.
We know Trump lies with every other sentence.
Even if the questions stay on topic, he would be likely to perjure himself.
He's afraid of surprise questions that he may straight up lie about.
Perjury traps pertain to people that have something to hide.
Can't you just say 'I don't recall?'
Runningart2004 wrote:
DiscoGary wrote:
A perjury trap can take many forms:
1. As already noted, they can ask the same question multiple times and if the answer varies by the smallest amount > perjury.
2. They already know where you were on May 15 2016 but they ask you anyway. If you guess and get it wrong > perjury.
3. They have information gathered from other people that may or may not be true. If you say anything that contradicts that information, even if what you say is true, they can still charge you with perjury. You will eventually be found to be innocent, but by that time you've already been impeached.
There's probably more but those are in the bag of Mueller's tricks. Keep in mind that the prosecutors hired by Mueller are known for their dirty tricks so there's every reason to believe they will try these traps. If Mueller had any evidence of a crime, there would be no need to question Trump. They would just present the evidence and impeachment would ensue. But they aren't so therefore we can conclude that they are trying to manufacture a crime which would most likely be a perjury trap. The more you talk, the more likely you are to fall into a perjury trap, and Trump talks a lot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik&t=11sGary, did you also think the the Bill Clinton investigation was fair? How did you feel about his impeachment? Starr took 4 years! If he had anything wouldn’t he had released it much earlier?
Republicans crying foul over the Mueller investigation while supporting the Starr investigation 25 yrs ago are hypocritical.
Alan
The reason Clinton met with Starr is because Starr had loads of evidence for crimes including suborning perjury and lying under oath in a Federal court before Starr ever got to him. Starr was going to submit that evidence with or without Clinton's testimony. I think Clinton met with Starr so that he could put his own spin on it.
The Starr council was formed to investigate a crime where there was sufficient evidence to move forward.
The Mueller council was formed without any stated crime, without any evidence, and on an issue that should have been turned over to counter intelligence rather than be treated as a criminal matter.
No hypocrisy.
Pookie Washington wrote:
I hear Giuliani and other right ringers say that Mueller is trying to set up Trump in a PERJURY TRAP. If he is totally honest and doesn't lie......how can Trump be trapped? Please explain.
It's the reason why Obama's FBI decided not to have Hillary interviewed under oath.
And Trump would have torpedoed the counter intelligence group or agency.
Hence, Mueller (Republican) council.
What are you guys so worried about? Trump says nothing bad happened, and he's always right, so give it a rest. Heck, he should go sit there for 10 or 12 hours and answer questions. Nothing to hide, so nothing to fear, right?
Sand Dunes wrote:
Man of facts wrote:
Gonna have to take issue with your phrasing - if you change your story you did lie, they don't just claim that you did... and there is no real reason to change your story. You’d only do it if you were a. Guilty or b. Stupid, so basically Donald Trump.
You don't understand do you? When you tell your friend a story the first time vs the second time you tell it, it is going be little different. That is what I mean.
It is you who does not understand; the difference between a blatant lie and a small change to a story.
When you tell your wife you never cheated on her and never would, when in fact you did cheat on her, and you get caught by a DNA test having knocked up some bimbo. How do you make "little" changes to your original story to make is such that you did not lie to your wife.