No world record for Almaz Ayana because of missing curb

This is a pretty well-known rule.

Besides the fact the track is only 383 meters

If this is true, there is no way it should count as a WR. I would hardly consider it an impressive workout at that point. Even most bush league track meets have rails in place.

smile wrote:

For the first 15 laps (6,000m), a large portion of the first turn had no curb or cones in place, due to the heptathlon HJ.

This was the greatest women's 10000 meter race in all of history.

What a shame the record won't count.

Field event athletes should never be allowed on the track during running events.

The inconsiderate athletes and officials who allowed this to happen need to be held completely responsible.

Relax.

It will stand.

Karma Police wrote:

Relax.

It will stand.

Not likely.

It'll be like last year when a world leading time was seemingly set in the 1500 in a race in France but then it was pointed out on this message board that the race started from the wrong line, and the IAAF then removed those times from the world leader list.

That is terrible wrote:

Field event athletes should never be allowed on the track during running events.

The 10k will not exist much longer. Won't be at 2020 Olympics and after. It's a throwaway event. RIP.

Only the laps without cones were illegal. The rule's instruction to use cones when the kerb is moved implies that a cone-lined turn is legal.

But the rule (not gonna look it up) about WR validity of IAAF tracks, does it say the track has to be in compliance the whole time? If not, the two IAAF big wigs who decide if it's a WR may simply say it's ok as long as they stuck to the line of running at 30cm instead of moving in to 20cm (which cones wouldn't prevent anyhow... they can't be as much a deterrent to crowding the stripe as a kerb is) and those officials want the WR. If they can extort bribes from athletes to cover up dope positives, they can fudge the rules to ratify it.

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So Huddle's US record is in flux?

Doder wrote:

So Huddle's US record is in flux?

If USATF adheres to the same rules as the IAAF then yes.

I looked up the rule. Relevant parts below:

RULE 160

Track Measurements

1. The inside of the track shall be bordered by a kerb of suitable material that should be colored white, with a height of 50mm to to 65mm and a width of 50mm to 250mm. The kerb on the two strights may be omitted and a white line 50mm wide substituted. If a section of the kerb on a bend has to be temporarily removed for Field Events, its place on the surface beneath shall be marked with a white line 50mm in width and by cones or flags, minimum height 0.20m, placed on the white line so that the edge of the base of the cone or flag pole coincides with the edge of the white line closest to the track, and placed at intervals not exceeding 4m.

For the first fifteen laps of this race no cones or flags were in place of the missing kerb.

You guys must be new at track.

This happens at every major championship during the distance events. The kerb is always removed (I have done it tons in the past as a volunteer!) for the participants of the infield events.

GJK wrote:

You guys must be new at track.

This happens at every major championship during the distance events. The kerb is always removed (I have done it tons in the past as a volunteer!) for the participants of the infield events.

According to rule 160.1, removing the kerb is fine so long as cones or flags are put in its place. No cones or flags were put in place for the first fifteen laps.

Given that no one cut corners, I think they'll probably let the record stand.

MR. Pedantic wrote:

Given that no one cut corners, I think they'll probably let the record stand.

There is no clause to the aforementioned rule that allows for such an exception.

If the IAAF subjectively applies its own rules, then there is no point in having rules to begin with.

It will most likely stand. She still ran 10,000m.

Well with the modern advancements of video tape they can see if anyone stepped out of bounds where the "kurb" (not to be a stickler, as you rule nerds are, but isn't it "curb"?) should have been. I think its called replay and they even have this feature where it can be seen in "slow motion", which actually makes the race seem longer than 25 laps. If not then the athlete(s) ran the full distance, so I would assume the record(s) would stand.I mean it is the freakin' olympics and the greatest race in history (give or take some unbelievable Chinese meet nobody was at) (did I mention it was unbelievable?) (though looking at the stands it looked like few were at the last one either). Does it have material impact? What were the runners suppose to do, stop and put cones out?Its not the biggest f-up in Rio. I wondered if they missed a lap when I heard the times, or if one of the many corners they cut was in making the track... I say all this because I am bitter because I am not there.

smile wrote:

MR. Pedantic wrote:

Given that no one cut corners, I think they'll probably let the record stand.

There is no clause to the aforementioned rule that allows for such an exception.

If the IAAF subjectively applies its own rules, then there is no point in having rules to begin with.

Overstating the length... wrote:

Besides the fact the track is only 383 meters

Tell me how fast the 400m runners ran so far!