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No hype in stating Secretariat on the turn from Sham in '73 Belmont shouda been based on :
"Ryun stretching away from Bodo like a tremendous machine !!!"
Incredible video.
I really hope someone gets their hands on the full race and posts it to youtube.
I'm Kenyan
& it's evident Rudisha/Kipketer are historically fastest/greatest 800 guys ever
this Beast wouda crushed them over 800
into
Oblivion..
Wait wait wait - Ventolin is KENYAN??
Ryun
is story...
( i/we are pathetic little cogs on tarmacking road.. )
ol horrible legs wrote:
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Thought video analysis by guy with full race video showed last 200 was 24.8 and last 300 was 36.6?
That would mean the back straight was 11.8 not 11.6. And this was all done with a stop watch as there was no on screen clock, so even 11.8 is a somewhat vague figure. All we can get from that video is that Ryun had a kgreat turn of speed against runners who were nowhere as good as him. No different to what Snell, Coe, Ovett, Aouita, Morceli have done in different paced races at different points over the last lap. They all threw down 100 m bursts in about 12 secs flat.
ISBN wrote:
Thought video analysis by guy with full race video showed last 200 was 24.8 and last 300 was 36.6?
That would mean the back straight was 11.8 not 11.6. And this was all done with a stop watch as there was no on screen clock, so even 11.8 is a somewhat vague figure. All we can get from that video is that Ryun had a kgreat turn of speed against runners who were nowhere as good as him. No different to what Snell, Coe, Ovett, Aouita, Morceli have done in different paced races at different points over the last lap. They all threw down 100 m bursts in about 12 secs flat.
Gotta agree with this.
ISBN wrote:
Thought video analysis by guy with full race video showed last 200 was 24.8 and last 300 was 36.6?
He said the last 300 was 36.5
ISBN wrote:
No different to what Snell, Coe, Ovett, Aouita, Morceli have done in different paced races at different points over the last lap. They all threw down 100 m bursts in about 12 secs flat.
None of those runners did anything close to what Ryun did in this race. Let alone on a dirt track.
paging said88 wrote:
ISBN wrote:Thought video analysis by guy with full race video showed last 200 was 24.8 and last 300 was 36.6?
He said the last 300 was 36.5
He said either 36.5 or 36.6. He then came up with a probable 36.54! Which seems rather bizarre considering there was no onscreen clock and was his own hand timing! Given this and the fact that hand timing is usually 1 or 2 tenths faster than electronic timing. So I think 36.6 is more than reasonable.
ISBN wrote:
paging said88 wrote:He said the last 300 was 36.5
He said either 36.5 or 36.6. He then came up with a probable 36.54! Which seems rather bizarre considering there was no onscreen clock and was his own hand timing! Given this and the fact that hand timing is usually 1 or 2 tenths faster than electronic timing. So I think 36.6 is more than reasonable.
He said after timing it several times it was closer to 36.5, which is where the 36.54 figure came from.
It seems biased to selectively choose which numbers of his you accept, and which you don't. Particularly when considering the many other sources that give splits for this race, some of which are faster than what he stated.
Either accept the numbers he gives or don't accept them at all.
in the full video u can clock a 37.5, great performance
webbmaster is back wrote:
ISBN wrote:No different to what Snell, Coe, Ovett, Aouita, Morceli have done in different paced races at different points over the last lap. They all threw down 100 m bursts in about 12 secs flat.
None of those runners did anything close to what Ryun did in this race. Let alone on a dirt track.
Lol. Utter drivel.
Snell broke fields with his burst of speed over last lap, and he ran on dirt. Ran a 24.5 last 200 which is faster than Ryun's last 200 in that race.
Ovett ran an identical 11.8 100 stretch in World Cup 77. If it had been on a straight rather than a curve it would have been faster.
Coe ran several last 100m in under 12.0, including an 11.3, pulling 1.5 sec clear of the Olympic bronze medalist.
Morceli has run as fast over the last lap as Ryun did in Dusseldorf in faster overall races.
Aouita ran a 36.1 in a 3:34 1500 in 84.
All of the above cold have put in a sub 12 stretch and in a final 300 inside 37 in the right type of race, especially with a previous lap in 60 secs
dooown wrote:
in the full video u can clock a 37.5, great performance
Not according to the guy who has the full video.
ISBN wrote:
webbmaster is back wrote:None of those runners did anything close to what Ryun did in this race. Let alone on a dirt track.
Lol. Utter drivel.
Snell broke fields with his burst of speed over last lap, and he ran on dirt. Ran a 24.5 last 200 which is faster than Ryun's last 200 in that race.
Ovett ran an identical 11.8 100 stretch in World Cup 77. If it had been on a straight rather than a curve it would have been faster.
Coe ran several last 100m in under 12.0, including an 11.3, pulling 1.5 sec clear of the Olympic bronze medalist.
Morceli has run as fast over the last lap as Ryun did in Dusseldorf in faster overall races.
Aouita ran a 36.1 in a 3:34 1500 in 84.
All of the above cold have put in a sub 12 stretch and in a final 300 inside 37 in the right type of race, especially with a previous lap in 60 secs
Your analysis is so skewed it is laughable.
Ryun clocked 3:38.2 in this race and closed like a freight train. Snell's lifetime PR was 3:37.6. Would snell have run a 50.5 final 400 with a 36.5 last 300? No.
Did Snell run an 11.6 100 backstretch before his 24.5 last 200? No. Was his last lap under 51 seconds like Ryun's was?
Ovett did not run 11.8 in that race. He ran 12 seconds flat on the curve. His last lap was nowhere near as fast as Ryun's was. It was also on a synthetic track, a much faster surface.
Coe never ran anywhere near what Ryun did in Dusseldorf in a race that was under 3:39 for 1500m. Fast finishes in slow jog fests do not get consideration, sorry.
Morceli has not run last 300s of 36.5 seconds in a sub 3:39 race, with 100m stretches under 12 seconds. He also ran on synthetic tracks. A much faster surface.
Aouita never ran 36.1 in a 3:34 race.
You twist / make up facts and leave out major details to make them seem more impressive than they are. As I said, laughable.
No, everything I have stated is accurate and fact.
It is you who have skewed the stats I have used and claimed I stated things which I never wrote.
For example, I said Coe ran several sub 12 last 100m. I never stipulated that they were in a sub 3:39 1500. They were in 1:46/1:47 800's, which are roughly worth around 3:40 for 1500.
Aouita did run a 36.1 last 200 in a 3:34 race. Your denial of that is just a lie or lack of knowledge.
No, he quoted 36.5 or 36.6 for last 300 and 50.6 for last 400m. He said it was difficult to tell the last 200m, but a figure if 24.8 has been published in several reference books.
Said88 never said that 100 was 11.6
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ISBN wrote:
No, everything I have stated is accurate and fact.
It is you who have skewed the stats I have used and claimed I stated things which I never wrote.
For example, I said Coe ran several sub 12 last 100m. I never stipulated that they were in a sub 3:39 1500. They were in 1:46/1:47 800's, which are roughly worth around 3:40 for 1500.
Aouita did run a 36.1 last 200 in a 3:34 race. Your denial of that is just a lie or lack of knowledge.
No, it is not accurate.
Your listed those numbers because you thought they were comparable to Ryun's splits in this race. That was the whole point of your post. The fact that you ommited much information regarding those splits is evidence of you twisting them to suit your agenda.
Coe's finishing time in those races is relevant because they were in slow races. Ryun ran very fast in a moderately paced race. 1:46/1:47 for 800 on a synthetic track is not comparable to 3:38.2 on dirt. They are also for a completely different distance, a shorter one which produces faster splits.
Aouita did not run 36.1 for his last 300 in a 3:34 race. Much as he did not run 11.6 or whatever it was for his last 100 against Cram.