What does Canova mean with aerobic support?

my take, which admittedly may be completely off base, but it's what I get from it.

if the "comventional" 4 mmol conventionally correlates to lt (i.e. 1 hr pace), then the training necessary for those shorter (8-13 min) events would be closer to a runner's VO2 max, or maximum aerobic pace.

and that pace would obviously elicit much higher mmols.

basically it sounds like the aerobic support is vo2 max intervals (as that's your maximum aerobic pace), perhaps the specific training? whereas special training would be 5+% faster or slower than this specific work.

for an elite half marathoner that specific aerobic support would actually correspond more closely to lactate threshold (or the 4mmol, as arbitrary as it may be) due to the time frame of the event.

my two cents, may be worth less than that...

Aerobic Support wrote:

Regarding this, what does he mean with aerobic support? Is he really suggesting that the longer intervals etc, what I call threshold intervals should really be in the 8-12 mmol range?

I doubt thats what he mean, but can anyone explain what he means?

I think that is exactly what he means.

The areobic support must be relevant to the event. Why should an 800m runner run (for example) long intervals at half marathon pace for their aerobic support? Maybe they hit the 4mmol which the scientists advise but does it support the race specific work for 800m? Or would doing long reps at closer to 1500 or 3000m pace acheive this goal better? The lactate levels would be much higher (ie in the range he suggests)

But a 10km runner would get great aerobic support from the long intervals (or continuous tempo run) at HM pace!

The 'Threshold' of 4mmol is of different value to different events.

EPO

Canova fan wrote:

I think that is exactly what he means.

The areobic support must be relevant to the event. Why should an 800m runner run (for example) long intervals at half marathon pace for their aerobic support? Maybe they hit the 4mmol which the scientists advise but does it support the race specific work for 800m? Or would doing long reps at closer to 1500 or 3000m pace acheive this goal better? The lactate levels would be much higher (ie in the range he suggests)

But a 10km runner would get great aerobic support from the long intervals (or continuous tempo run) at HM pace!

The 'Threshold' of 4mmol is of different value to different events.

Forgot to mention that I was mostly just curious to the 800m aerobic support mmol as thats the distance I run.

What I question about this is that 8-12 mmol is hard training, is this the suggested aerobic day for an 800m runner?

Week in February (for someone competing only during the summer/european) e.g:

M: 12x400m in 3000 pace, 8mmol-ish

T: Easy 8m

W: AM: Easy 4-5m

PM: 1500m pace intervals, 10-12mmol

T: Sprint

F: Easy day, 8m

S: Track workout, 10-12mmol

S: Long run + weights

Something like this?

In the sub 1.50 thread Sub4 recommends a treshold run a week, thats 4mmol or lower, how is that not aerobic support?

I might misunderstand him here, but 8-12mmol takes far much more time to recover from than 4mmol.

The 5th place in the 1500m in the Olympics doesn't train his intervals at 7-10 in mmol as suggested by Canova, its treshold all the way.

Renato Canova

But what is important to remember, is that every distance needs a specific Aerobic Support, that is not the real AnT. For example, in the case of 3000 SC/5000, we can create a MAX LASS (Maximum Lactate Steady State) of 6/8 min at a level of 11-13 mmol of lactate, and the AnT that we need is the speed at a level of 8 mmol about. So, don`t pay attention at the CONVENTIONAL THRESHOLD of 4 mmol, because is something for physiologists, but really in many case doesn´t mean anything.

I try to write the level of lactate that you must use like AEROBIC SUPPORT for the specific workouts in different events :

800m 8-12 mmol

1500m 7-10 mmol

5000m 6-8 mmol

10000m 5-7 mmol

HM 4-5 mmol

Mar 4 mmol