And who would win?
And who would win?
It would totally solve everyone's economic problems because the world as we know it would cease to exist.
what's a good solution for a lot of people?a war between india and pakistan that turn global-nuclear could potentially decimate half the world's population thus solving half of our economic problems.but, i think what you are trying to get at is whether the economic ramifications of war are a good thing. A lot of people believe in the "buy at the sound of the war horns" investment philosophy; yes, it makes money, but it doesn't solve problems.When Germany/Europe was in rubble following WW2, sure, "economic activity" increased but rebuilding bridges/roads/building that had been intact years early is hardly efficient.Our wars in the Middle East; they solve problems for anyone tied to warfare-related industries. But it is going to suck for generations of Americans that are going to need to pay for it. That money could have gone towards productive things like basic research and lower taxes.
runn wrote:
It would totally solve everyone's economic problems because the world as we know it would cease to exist.
2nd World War did nothing to help the economy.
After World War 2 the USA government kicked out 700,000 Mexican Illegals and hundreds of thousands more fled, during the 1940's and early 1950's. This helped our returning troops get jobs. That is when our economy boomed.
kick em out now wrote:
2nd World War did nothing to help the economy.
After World War 2 the USA government kicked out 700,000 Mexican Illegals and hundreds of thousands more fled, during the 1940's and early 1950's. This helped our returning troops get jobs. That is when our economy boomed.
Never mind the billions being pumped into our factories to supply the Allies.
agreed! it would me more about recovering what is left of our nation. There would be no economy..
Why not try the simple thing that hasn't been tried in decades which is simply letting recessions run their course?
What's the big deal?
The stock market tanks? Big deal. Maybe it should be going down. Maybe a senior executive worth $400 million in stock compensation isn't worth $400 million. Maybe he should just give his stock back to the shareholders and god forbid only earn a salary of $500K.
Housing prices go down? That is good. The cost of shelter is going down.
Unemployment goes up? It would go up in the short term but it would alleviate the structural long term unemployment that has been created from decades of bailing out investors.
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.... can this be? Can someone who posts on this forum actually have a little economic sense? There's no way you live in America, sir. This kind of rational thought hasn't been found here since.... well since before Jimmy Carter.
No politician in this country cares about the long term. They only care about the next election.
ryan foreman makes practical sense but he forgets that he lives in America where fickle voters change their minds every 5 minutes about who is to blame for whatever it is they want to blame someone for.
gdfslkjgsd wrote:
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.... can this be? Can someone who posts on this forum actually have a little economic sense? There's no way you live in America, sir. This kind of rational thought hasn't been found here since.... well since before Jimmy Carter.
No politician in this country cares about the long term. They only care about the next election.
You speak sense but the big picture needs to be spoken about.
Without saying that the Jews pretty much control the US because they control the world central banking system and without saying that corporations are controlled by the banks and without saying that politicians are controlled by all the above, the fact that war ALWAYS occurs when the world economy is in strife is all we need to know.
Countries are the same as they were 1000 years ago and their methods are still the same, currency war/trade war which leads to a hot war. right now the US is fighting a currency war with China. It is a last ditch attempt to retain the power position and like all empires in their dying phase, it tries everything it can to retain power. Everything. Include bankrupt it's own people and the country they make up.
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April 15 be ready for it. It is start of the next phase. The phase where US economy collapses. Where US T bonds are downgraded and the country is suddenly under threat of bankruptcy. To avoid it will mean multi trillion dollar printing. This will cause serious inflation. At the same time other countries will begin trading in their own currencies for barrels of oil, instead of the USD. Demand for USD will crash. Hyperinflation ensues. China will announce the Remnimbi as a world reserve currency backed by like 5-6000 tonnes of gold. End of USD as a world reserve currency. The US will be like the Soviet Union post collapse. Nobody will come here 20 years.
Of course this can be minimised if the right approach is taken immediately.
runn wrote:
It would totally solve everyone's economic problems because the world as we know it would cease to exist.
This ^
Hey OP who do we fight WW3 with? China isn't an option, neither is Russia. Iran, and every other middle eastern nation are too small. Huge Chavez just died so Venezuela isn't an option. And more importantly what happens to sports and the economy during that time?
Can you imagine no football and a draft? Minorities would be going crazy, college campuses would be going crazy, liberals would be in frenzy, everyone would be mad because of gas prices.
It would be a terrible idea.
The best solution is to let the economy have another low and then print again and just keep doing that forever.
No WW3 because there's no one to fight it with, and no one wants to fight it anyways.
sldfj wrote:
Hey OP who do we fight WW3 with? China isn't an option, neither is Russia. Iran, and every other middle eastern nation are too small. Huge Chavez just died so Venezuela isn't an option. And more importantly what happens to sports and the economy during that time?
Can you imagine no football and a draft? Minorities would be going crazy, college campuses would be going crazy, liberals would be in frenzy, everyone would be mad because of gas prices.
It would be a terrible idea.
The best solution is to let the economy have another low and then print again and just keep doing that forever.
No WW3 because there's no one to fight it with, and no one wants to fight it anyways.
Actually, Libs v Cons should do nicely.
Let the rest of the world choose their natural sides. Libs get all those fairy boy Europeans. Cons get all those fundamentalist Jihadists. China goes with the Libs because of its commie roots. Russia to the Cons for its natural inclinations toward tough guy, law and order militarism. The Aussies go to the Cons too since they are basically the Southern Hemisphere's version of Texas (but with cooler accents).
Plenty of people to fight. And to hear the rhetoric around these parts, plenty of people itching for a fight.
gdfslkjgsd wrote:
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.... can this be? Can someone who posts on this forum actually have a little economic sense? There's no way you live in America, sir. This kind of rational thought hasn't been found here since.... well since before Jimmy Carter.
No politician in this country cares about the long term. They only care about the next election.
He could live in America he probably believes in other crazy things like the Constitution, and is considered an extremeist and possible terrorist. Our country is screwed up.
The more stories like these I see, the more I wonder if WW3 has already started (we just haven't heard "Tora Tora Tora" yet):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/21/south-korea-cyber-attack-chinese
http://www.economist.com/blogs/analects/2013/02/chinese-cyber-attacks
The next war may be VERY different from the last one.
coach d wrote:
The more stories like these I see, the more I wonder if WW3 has already started (we just haven't heard "Tora Tora Tora" yet):
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/21/south-korea-cyber-attack-chinesehttp://www.economist.com/blogs/analects/2013/02/chinese-cyber-attacksThe next war may be VERY different from the last one.
Countries spying on each other and constantly trying to gather military and industrial advantage through the theft of intellectual property is not exactly new. Nor does it have anything to say about WWIII.
This is NOT spying, which we do plenty of.
These are ATTACKS, apparently done by the Chinese military.
War is bad for the economy. The idea that war solves economic problems is the product of perverse Keyenesian thinking that substitutes statistics for values. The value of industrial productivity doesn't come from the amount of money that we pump into factories, but the usefulness of the products that come out of factories. Food, clothing, cars, electronics and other consumer goods are values that improve the quality of life for human beings. Bombs, tanks and shells fo not. Concepts like "value" and "quality if life" don't register in the mind of a Keynesian because they can't be represented statistically. Even though life was miserable for most Americans during WW2, the Keynesian fool concludes that the war was good for the economy because it statistically raised GDP and lowered the unemployment rate. The facts that millions died in war and millions more suffered as they slaved away at miserable factory jobs making wartime goods while consumer goods like food, clothes and cars became scarce and thus prohibitively expensive for most people, does not matter to Keynesians. The Keynesian degenerates cheer when they see a pile of corpses as long as the GDP went up. We do need a war, not a WW3, but a war against Keynesianism.
coach d wrote:
This is NOT spying, which we do plenty of.
These are ATTACKS, apparently done by the Chinese military.
Show me the dead bodies.