Scott Walker won the Wisconsin recall election

Walker is behind the times. He cut state worker pensions and pay but left a massive obligation on the next 100 years of unborn taxpayers of Wisconsin. If Walker cuts police, corrections, & fire pensions he'd match what San Jose and San Diego did on tuesday and be able to brag about something. As it stands now Walker is a stooge for the police, fire, and corrections unions.

The spoken German does not translate to the English subtitles. Once again the right has misrepresented something in an attempt to motivate their base of non-critical thinkers.

Scott Walker tries to come across as a American patriot and flag waver but he has no infantry unit service on his resume. He didn't even volunteer as a non-combatant and fly or drive for the Army. Why is that ?

No Infantry Unit service wrote:

Scott Walker tries to come across as a American patriot and flag waver but he has no infantry unit service on his resume. He didn't even volunteer as a non-combatant and fly or drive for the Army. Why is that ?

Prolly the same reason that you didn't.

More union households & liberals voted for Walker on the recall election than his first election. 38% of union households voted for him, which is a pretty high percentage since they obviously know by now that his plan is to bust unions. 54% approve how he is handling jobs. Overall, the majority has spoken again.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/38-voters-union-households-voted-walker

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/157378455.html#

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Heidi Hoe wrote:

[quote]No Infantry Unit service wrote:

Scott Walker tries to come across as a American patriot and flag waver but he has no infantry unit service on his resume. He didn't even volunteer as a non-combatant and fly or drive for the Army. Why is that ?

Prolly the same reason that you didn't.[/quote

Glad he wasn't snorting coke with Obama.

Where did he cut pensions?

He removed collective bargining, he changed the pensions by requiring the Public Unions to contribute to their own pensions. He did not reduce or unfund the pensions. Where is the massive obligation?

The Dems goofed. The public had already decided who they liked better between Walker and Barrett 18 months prior. If they wanted a different outcome, they should have chosen a different candidate.

Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:

The Dems goofed. The public had already decided who they liked better between Walker and Barrett 18 months prior. If they wanted a different outcome, they should have chosen a different candidate.

This. And, this was really a case of Citizens United flexing its muscle. Walker had the clear advantage on cash with all of the huge sums of anonymous cash coming in through 501(c)3s and 4s. Our electoral system is now in the hands of a small group of billionaires and big money right wing PACs.

Walker the STOOGE wrote:

Walker is behind the times. He cut state worker pensions and pay but left a massive obligation on the next 100 years of unborn taxpayers of Wisconsin. If Walker cuts police, corrections, & fire pensions he'd match what San Jose and San Diego did on tuesday and be able to brag about something. As it stands now Walker is a stooge for the police, fire, and corrections unions.

I'm against the massive pensions some of these people get in places like CA (I recall reading about a city manager making over $100k in retirement pension), BUT -- it's a damn shame and completely unfair when a United, Delta, etc, cut their pension and dump in on the taxpayer, and it's same damn thing to do it to a public employee. If you PROMISE benefits to someone, and they fulfill their end of the deal by working for you for 20, 30, or 40 years -- be it public OR private -- you need to fulfill that promise.

The idea that the many could vote to remove pension benefits for a few just because they don't like them is not what democracy is about.

I suspect both those electoral results will be challenged in court, and the pensioners will prevail.

I met Scott Walker a few times back in 2002, after he had come into office as county executive following the Tom Ament recall/retirement and county pension scandal. So pensions and recalls appear to follow Walker.

I was involved in a series of land transactions involving wetlands in Milwaukee County. Walker came across as a complete dolt. He also had a condescending air about him, despite his apparent ineptitude on the subject, possibly due to his droopy face look where he looks as if he is closing/rolling his eyes and looking down his nose at you. I thought he was on the verge of falling asleep, but it was just the way he is.

I was weirded out by the guy in 2002, have since moved from Wisconsin, and could not believe Wisconsites actually voted him into the governorship. Typically this kind of guy might be the fiscal decisionmaker behind the scenes for the more personable, charismatic governor. To see him as governor makes me chuckle, good luck Wisconsin, and go Golden Eagles.

And as follow up, I was disappointed to see that, what were the numbers, something like a 7 to 1 election spending cost by Republicans over Democrats, with virtually all of it from out-of-state contributors, and more money by Republicans re-electing Walker than has been put into Romney's campaign so far? That's even more unbelievable, based on what I wrote above about his personality. Plus, to have outside forces meddle with such massive amounts of cash in a state's internal business is a terrible precedent. As I said, good luck Wisconsin, you will get what you deserve in some way for not keeping it intra-family. You are a proud people, but sold out and set yourself up now.

Wisconsin will soon be another garbage red state, of which there are already too many.

I wrote in another thread a few days ago about Indiana, where I live (I'm a former resident of WI as well). We've spent the last 8 years implementing all the standard Republican reforms (privatizations, lower corporate income tax, charter schools, lower property taxes, right-to-work, removing collective bargaining) -- guess what? We still have 8.2% unemployment, no new jobs, and the state has 200,000 LESS jobs than it had 10 years ago before all the reforms.

We're laying off teachers, closing libraries, police and fire are underfunded. Parks? Forget it. We've starved government, which was the goal. Now the place sucks to bad NO ONE wants to live here. Why would a business relocate somewhere that no one wants to live?

So it completely makes sense for Wisconsin and other states to try these reforms, right? I mean, they've worked so well here (shaking head).

Charles Nonhomogenous wrote:

I'm against the massive pensions some of these people get in places like CA (I recall reading about a city manager making over $100k in retirement pension), BUT -- it's a damn shame and completely unfair when a United, Delta, etc, cut their pension and dump in on the taxpayer, and it's same damn thing to do it to a public employee. If you PROMISE benefits to someone, and they fulfill their end of the deal by working for you for 20, 30, or 40 years -- be it public OR private -- you need to fulfill that promise.

The idea that the many could vote to remove pension benefits for a few just because they don't like them is not what democracy is about.

I suspect both those electoral results will be challenged in court, and the pensioners will prevail.

Also, as I understand it, at least state workers (not sure about the teachers etc.) have not received pay increases that even keep up with inflation. In return they were promised the various nice benefits that Walker is trying (succeeding?) to take away. A lot of this happened under Tommy Thompson (another republican governor). I bet most democrats would not have guessed 10 years ago that they would look back fondly on the days when Thompson was governor . . .

Walker the STOOGE wrote:

Walker is behind the times. He cut state worker pensions and pay but left a massive obligation on the next 100 years of unborn taxpayers of Wisconsin. If Walker cuts police, corrections, & fire pensions he'd match what San Jose and San Diego did on tuesday and be able to brag about something. As it stands now Walker is a stooge for the police, fire, and corrections unions.

Everything in your post is incorrect except for the exclusion of the police unions. Corrections and fire unions had the same restrictions on collective bargaining as other state employees. NO PENSIONS WERE CUT. All pensions in Wisconsin are funded and intact due to Scott Walkers reforms. That is more than I can say for California and Illinois.

You may consider me a dumb conservative but I am much better informed on current events than you.

Bullsh!t!! Obama raised $742 million (and much of it suspect) in 2008. McCain only raised $250 million. This is a great lie that the Left put out that the Republicans are the party of the rich. That was the case in the 1920s but hey, I've never known a Democrat to be concerned with the facts. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, the PayPal guy, Hollywood, Wall Street, George Soros, the media are all 1 percenters but that little fact never makes its mark with dumb@ss college kids and the hiphop community.

Precious Roy wrote:

This. And, this was really a case of Citizens United flexing its muscle. Walker had the clear advantage on cash with all of the huge sums of anonymous cash coming in through 501(c)3s and 4s. Our electoral system is now in the hands of a small group of billionaires and big money right wing PACs.

California State Teachers' Retirement System (CalSTRS) participants do not pay into the Social Security system as California educators. Instead, they pay a higher percentage of their earnings into the CalSTRS fund. Therefore, they do not qualify for Social Security benefits at retirement.

Yanking their pensions out from under them when they won't qualify for social security is more than just wrong, it's evil.

Ah, I love listening to Democrats, like the listening to a person complaining that the evil credit card company has stopped letting them charge up their card and that the repo man is collecting all the consumer junk they bought.

Nope. San Jose and San Diego PD, FD, and prison guard unions filed suit in the Supreme Court this past Wednesday to overturn the cut in pensions. Sj and SD will argue that social services will have to be drastically cut if pensions are not cut. This is the valid escape clause out of the pension contracts that San Diego and San Jose have according to the news. If it holds true, Governor Brown has the ammunition to torpedo California police, firce, and prison guard pensions. We'll see. If not, the State of California will have to cut weeks out of the school year for children.