KENYA and DOPING

it would be interesting to track hematocrit weekly and have it be public info.

He knows that WADA cannot afford this. testing all the Olympic athletes from Kenya from 800-marathon for both genders would be 36 athletes a week. The tests are not the expensive part, but the locating 36 people all over the world, every week for 11 more weeks. Not practical.

Not to mention testing all of his athletes.

This kind of thing has happened in cycling since at least 1950. We know this because it is a more major sport and riders from that far back have talked about it. It has been exposed.

It is not fashionable to admit it now after your career is over and it would be career suicide to admit it while you are competing. But why do people think that it doesn't happen in track?

If you had several products available, that if used, would yield you a big enough advantage to move you up the ladder from an internationalist to a champion, and there WERE means to avoid detection, why do you all think people wouldn't do it?

I am not advocating it, I hate it, it allows an inferior athlete to beat a superior one and forces the superior one in to using as well. But it has been done in a systematic way for a long time now.

Renato Canova wrote:

But I cant exclude some European doctor, may be banned from cyclism, can try to have advantages changing sport, counting on the ignorance of the athletes for making money.

Ask to IAAF calling for extensive Biological Passport tests.

But I think that IAAF is afraid because they know about many former Olympic Champions which can be busted with that kind of tests.

Renato, please for the sake of Kenyan runners and Kenya, stop posting on this side, you abusing the PRIVILEGE that you have been accorded in Kenya. Stop demeaning the position that you hold. The people on this site are not going to stop making allegations, by you responding then you are legitizing their wild theories. Mr Renato, use your time to write a book or a commentary on a newspaper in Kenya or something. Please please please, don't abuse the special relationships you have with your runners.

This is why I never trusted the Jamaicans in 08 or the Ethiopians or Kenyans.

No one is in the country to test on a regular basis like in Europe or the U.S.

Testing is also weak in surprising countries and places: China, Russia, South America, South Africa.

So even though I agree with Canova that most of his athletes and Kenyans Ethiopians may be clean, I can't trust it because the level of testing is so different between American/European athletes and African ones.

Also the testing off season in Jamaica in 06-08 was pathetic. I don't think a single out of competition out of season test was performed in that country. Not a single one, and this was 2008. Look what happened.

And Usain Bolt had the nerve to act like that in the 100m. Disgusting how could you act like that if you weren't natural? I don't how these people justify this to themselves. Money really does some disgusting things to people and our sport.

Its not about testing. Testing negative is easy if you know what you are doing. The passport is a joke if you load slowly or microdose over an extended period.Testing helps catching the clueless using steroids they buy at the local gym, and those taking unnecessary risk.Catching epo, hgh, and other substances with short halflifes need an extremely strong antidoping regime, that is not practically possible. And then if you got money you have designer versions of those drugs. There is no test for those.And dont think some contries are much better or worse than others, doping is everywhere where there is money. That means abundant among the very best.

Alberto Contadoro wrote:

And dont think some contries are much better or worse than others, doping is everywhere where there is money. That means abundant among the very best.

I think that's the point. When anyone mentions doping in East Africa, Renato and his cronies start howling about how you can't accuse all Kenyans of doping, yada yada yada.

Nobody is saying all Kenyans dope, but they're saying this ridiculous notion that no Kenyans dope is the problem.

They have a very large percentage of the world's top distance runners, so it's likely that they also have a large percentage of the world's dopers. Particularly since we've seen this German fellow pretend to be a 'Renato' and find out just how easy it is to get doping for your athletes.

Of course, not all these 'Renatos' are cynical, money grabbing cheaters. Some of the 'Renatos' might be just cynical and money grabbing - but a large percentage of them will be cheaters. Particularly given how easy it is when you don't have a national testing programme not to get caught.

Wait, so you are going to ask that they have weekly testing? In other words, they don't already get tested weekly? Wow!

Also, hopefully you realize that weekly testing doesn't mean every Saturday. It needs to be at completely random times and days of the week because of microdosing.

I agree fully with your points.What i have been stating before here is that i know whereRenato comes from, and that he knows the ins and outs of the game very well.But we dont know that he dopes his athletes, or if hes athletes are clean or not. Unless otherwise proven, they are all clean.Still he state obvious lies about blood doping not working on elite east africans on this forum.Then i have to question his motivation behind the spreading of misinformation.

kenyans and ethiopians get tested only at diamond league races and olympics/worlds

what a joke

someone had to do it wrote:

kenyans and ethiopians get tested only at diamond league races and olympics/worlds

what a joke

This would suggest otherwise:

Best Kenyans, Ethiopians and Jamaicans are tested as much as other athletes in US or Europe, get your facts straight and stop being so jealous that they can train 3-4.times a day when you can got out for 1.run..... THEY WORK HARD!!!!!!

Dear Renato,

thanks for the post. Could you please comment on your ideas how to finance such a weekly control system? Who will pay for that? How are you going to implement a weekly "whereabouts" statement of your athletes to the control agency?

I adore your response, but since you seem to be a person with a very practical approach, could you please share how you are going to implement this doping control strategy in practise?

Also, as I have watched and seen the documentary in german, I was wondering if you have seen it as well (was it translated already into english and or Italian?) Then, secondly, I understand that you may react offensive, but WHY do you think Hajo Seppelts accusations are wrong?

Thank you.

Today in the afternoon there was in Iten a meeting between the Marathon runners for the Olympic Games, their coaches and the Kenyan responsible, David Letting. For the occasion, there was a German journalist (lady) for a German TV. I came her with my computer asking to translate the full interview of Hajo Seppelts.

At the beginning, the interview was fine. There was only the obvious possibility that also some kenyan athlete coul be doped. But, after, there was the interview with the doctor, that said "I have a great experience in blood doping in this Country".

Sorry, I can't accept something like this, because is absoulutely not possible.

I ask to Seppelts to give the name of the doctor, so he can investigated by the local Kenyan Police (because in any case these substances, or part of them, can be considered drug, and also in Kenya who traffics with them can be charged and go in jail) and, of course, by the specific antidoping Agencies (from IAAF and WADA).

A journalist must understand that an accusation like that the doctor did can provoke a very bad image for a full Country, without any proof, and this can be a big damage for all the athletes clean : ALL THE BEST KENYANS.

I know that the cost of antidoping controls every week is high. But, in the case of a doubt involving a full Nation, I think it's possible for IAAF and WADA to invest money in order to remove stupid ideas.

The full Kenyan Team for Olympics can have about 32/34 athletes. For example, alternating half of them every week, of course in a random way, starting from the beginning of June, we can have about 8-9 weeks, that means a total of about 140-150 tests. This is not very different, as quantity, with what already happens today. I explained that, in spite of what many people thinks without knowing (for that reason I call them IDIOTS), we have any week not less than 10 controls from the WADA officials, and Kenya is the Country in the world with the higher percentage of antidoping tests. In Kenya there is not a National Agency, but doctors of WADA coming from South Africa are here every week. The samples from Kenya go to the lab of Barcelona, every Friday.

So, please, quit to talk bullshits.

What do you think a doctor involved in doping can offer to somebody going to him, obviously, asking for some "aid" ? He can show his greatness in the role saying that he has a wide experience with a lot of athletes in the Country. He's a vendor, and a vendor of doping must be denounced, because in this case the professional secret cant exist.

Also for the other idiots thinking I can hide something because Italian, I can answer I don't think all Germans are Nazi or all Norwegian go to kill 77 people for defending the National values. But, if your way of thinking is that one, I understand because Nazis and killers of 77 people can exist.

I enjoy reading Renato Canova posts as always.

someone had to do it wrote:

kenyans and ethiopians get tested only at diamond league races and olympics/worlds

what a joke

Tell that to Joh Ngugi (5 time WCC champ) who was banned for not allowing a tester onto his property, a number of years ago.

Renato Canova wrote:

I ask to Seppelts to give the name of the doctor, so he can investigated by the local Kenyan Police (because in any case these substances, or part of them, can be considered drug, and also in Kenya who traffics with them can be charged and go in jail) and, of course, by the specific antidoping Agencies (from IAAF and WADA).

Let's be honest. This is not something the Kenyan police will ever get involved in.

As far as most people are concerned, Kenyans are squeaky clean. Exposing a dodgy doctor to a court case opens the gate for a lot of Kenyan runners (of any standard) to be exposed as cheaters.

This is not something the country of Kenya is going to let happen. It's too damaging.

It's certainly not something the IAAF is going to let happen.

trollism wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

I ask to Seppelts to give the name of the doctor, so he can investigated by the local Kenyan Police (because in any case these substances, or part of them, can be considered drug, and also in Kenya who traffics with them can be charged and go in jail) and, of course, by the specific antidoping Agencies (from IAAF and WADA).

Let's be honest. This is not something the Kenyan police will ever get involved in.

As far as most people are concerned, Kenyans are squeaky clean. Exposing a dodgy doctor to a court case opens the gate for a lot of Kenyan runners (of any standard) to be exposed as cheaters.

This is not something the country of Kenya is going to let happen. It's too damaging.

It's certainly not something the IAAF is going to let happen.

You seem to know a lot about the Kenya Police.

"Sorry, I can't accept something like this, because is absoulutely not possible."

Well if you put it THAT way!

"So, please, quit to talk bullshits."

You get charmingly less coherent as the years pass.