You know, when Rupp sat on Sammy C the whole time then kicked it in with about 100 to go to win? That's just good racing right? Now you have the balls to call out Solinsky?
You know, when Rupp sat on Sammy C the whole time then kicked it in with about 100 to go to win? That's just good racing right? Now you have the balls to call out Solinsky?
while im not saying there is anything wrong with what solinsky did, you are a f***ing idiot if you don't see the difference between a championship cross country race and paced record attempt
people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here
hmmmmmmm wrote:
while im not saying there is anything wrong with what solinsky did, you are a f***ing idiot if you don't see the difference between a championship cross country race and paced record attempt
people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here
Rupp was the only one going for a "paced record attempt" Saturday, the other 3 guys were going to win. That is the point of every race, so you know. To win. I think people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here.
cough cough cough wrote:
hmmmmmmm wrote:while im not saying there is anything wrong with what solinsky did, you are a f***ing idiot if you don't see the difference between a championship cross country race and paced record attempt
people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here
Rupp was the only one going for a "paced record attempt" Saturday, the other 3 guys were going to win. That is the point of every race, so you know. To win. I think people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here.
Actually different races have different points. Rupp didn't start doing indoor miles for the main point to win them, but I know you don't understand this stuff.
One thing only an idiot would argue is though, is that the point of a championship race is not to win it but to run fast and that the point of an american record attempt is only to win it and not to run fast.
here you go wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvCsj7eJKKA
whats your point?
"One thing only an idiot would argue is though, is that the point of a championship race is not to win it but to run fast and that the point of an american record attempt is only to win it and not to run fast."
So if Nike's, er Rupp's, er the race's pacers would have hung in till 7k, as the talk seemed to be indicating they would, then Solinsky had gone after that and Rupp came around in the final bit that would have been acceptable? Or if Solinsky and the others didn't come around at all and just let Rupp run them into PRs, that'd be acceptable? But Solinsky running in a race, where the intent is to set an American record, and actually setting the record, isn't an acceptable outcome? Interesting.
So if Nike's, er Rupp's, er the race's pacers would have hung in till 7k, as the talk seemed to be indicating they would, then Solinsky had gone after that and Rupp came around in the final bit that would have been acceptable? Or if Solinsky and the others didn't come around at all and just let Rupp run them into PRs, that'd be acceptable? But Solinsky running in a race, where the intent is to set an American record, and actually setting the record, isn't an acceptable outcome? Interesting.
here's the thing you don't get...
no one is saying this is an unacceptable outcome, solinsky ran a great race and broke 27:00...no Rupp fan is disputing that
all people are saying is that Rupp ran a great race as well, and under different circumstances Rupp would have a great chance to run as fast or faster than solinsky did
but people are so biased against Rupp they can't hear anyone giving Rupp credit without also hearing them taking credit from someone else
believe it or not, there's not always a bad guy
When did I call out Solinsky? I thought he ran a phenomenal race.
Last time I checked each runner was free to run the race they way the liked.
Also, Rupp did take the lead over Chelanga, and Chelanga kept surging, only then did Rupp sit.
Solinsky made no attempt to share the lead and break the wind.
I think it has more to do with Solinksy knowing he was in uncharted territory, and being cautions, than Solinsky being a selfish prick.
The real story is what a shock that was for Solinsky to find himself capable of that pace, and that kick.
Rupp was the only one going for a "paced record attempt" Saturday, the other 3 guys were going to win. That is the point of every race, so you know. To win. I think people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here.[/quote]
So if you can't win, don't even show up, is that right? Ever heard of personal bests? Die.
hmmmmmmm wrote:
while im not saying there is anything wrong with what solinsky did, you are a f***ing idiot if you don't see the difference between a championship cross country race and paced record attempt
people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here
Wow. You are an idiot for thinking that anyone other than a paid rabbit shares any responsibility to help with one man's paced record attempt. Anyway what's the big deal? Rupp ran hard and he achieved his goal - to run under Meb's mark. Mission accomplished. Rupp knows how to run tactics and if he had, the outcome probably would have been a slower time and a higher place, maybe 1st. It's pretty safe to say that Solinsky in his debut 10k would not have run by Rupp in a slow race.
sdfwefrsdf wrote:
Wow. You are an idiot for thinking that anyone other than a paid rabbit shares any responsibility to help with one man's paced record attempt.
where exactly did I say this? I repeat what ive said before on this thread, no problems with solinsky or how he ran his race (honestly hes been my favorite american runner since wisconsin)...
all anyones trying to do is give rupp some credit for his race as well, which was impressive in its own right and different from solinsky's
I agree with pretty much everything else in your post
Ok, this is just stupid. Solinsky wasn't sitting on anyone. He was in a PACK that was going AR pace. It's not like he was just following someone no matter how slow they went, he still had to keep up with the lead pack, and may I remind you that the whole pack was following rabbits for 20 laps, so it's not like they weren't all sitting on somebody. Come on, have a little common sense.
Musiker wrote:
Ok, this is just stupid. Solinsky wasn't sitting on anyone. He was in a PACK that was going AR pace. It's not like he was just following someone no matter how slow they went, he still had to keep up with the lead pack, and may I remind you that the whole pack was following rabbits for 20 laps, so it's not like they weren't all sitting on somebody. Come on, have a little common sense.
who ya arguing with bro
hmmmmmmm wrote:
So if Nike's, er Rupp's, er the race's pacers would have hung in till 7k, as the talk seemed to be indicating they would, then Solinsky had gone after that and Rupp came around in the final bit that would have been acceptable? Or if Solinsky and the others didn't come around at all and just let Rupp run them into PRs, that'd be acceptable? But Solinsky running in a race, where the intent is to set an American record, and actually setting the record, isn't an acceptable outcome? Interesting.
here's the thing you don't get...
no one is saying this is an unacceptable outcome, solinsky ran a great race and broke 27:00...no Rupp fan is disputing that
all people are saying is that Rupp ran a great race as well, and under different circumstances Rupp would have a great chance to run as fast or faster than solinsky did
but people are so biased against Rupp they can't hear anyone giving Rupp credit without also hearing them taking credit from someone else
believe it or not, there's not always a bad guy
No, here's the thing you don't get...
What happens, happens.
The race is run, it's over. Somebody won. Somebody ran really fast. That person probably won because they were the fastest and had the energy to make it happen when it needed to happen. If he had been less fit, he would not have been able to do that.
That's what you don't get.
hmmmmmmm wrote:
Musiker wrote:Ok, this is just stupid. Solinsky wasn't sitting on anyone. He was in a PACK that was going AR pace. It's not like he was just following someone no matter how slow they went, he still had to keep up with the lead pack, and may I remind you that the whole pack was following rabbits for 20 laps, so it's not like they weren't all sitting on somebody. Come on, have a little common sense.
who ya arguing with bro
The OP.
Musiker wrote:
No, here's the thing you don't get...
What happens, happens.
The race is run, it's over. Somebody won. Somebody ran really fast. That person probably won because they were the fastest and had the energy to make it happen when it needed to happen. If he had been less fit, he would not have been able to do that.
That's what you don't get.
this isn't true at all...
when runners are on the same level, it all comes down to how a particular race plays out, certain circumstances may benifit one runner while other circumstances play to the advantage of another
this particular race, with Rupps primary goal being the record leading to his resolve to go out front to push the pace, indisputably gave solinsky an advantage...and guess what, solinsky won (and ran the fastest american 10k time in history in the process)
however, had the race played out differently and Rupp had not gotten stuck (whether or not by his own actions) with the majority of the pacing duties, it is a definite possibility that Rupp could have been closer to or beaten Solinsky (I reiterate that this is in no way a slam on solinsky's tactics, he didn't owe rupp anything in this race)
how likely this is is a matter of pointless speculation, however for you to argue that the results of one race is an absolute indicator of what would happen in any given circumstance or on any given day is just idiotic
Halls senior year-beats dobson at ncaa, loses to him at USAs a week or 2 later
2004-lagat beats el G, both running 3:27, only to lose to him a week or 2 later at the olympics
and hundreds of other examples of how losing a race to someone doesn't mean you are automatically less fit and would lose in every situation...it just means you lost that particular race
cough cough cough wrote:
Rupp was the only one going for a "paced record attempt" Saturday, the other 3 guys were going to win. That is the point of every race, so you know. To win. I think people should have at least an elementary understanding of the sport in order to post here.
Rupp didn't need want or need, nor did any fans desire, just a mediocre win at a local invite, that is the road to mediocrity in the long run.
hmmmmmmm wrote:
here's the thing you don't get...
no one is saying this is an unacceptable outcome, solinsky ran a great race and broke 27:00...no Rupp fan is disputing that
all people are saying is that Rupp ran a great race as well, and under different circumstances Rupp would have a great chance to run as fast or faster than solinsky did
but people are so biased against Rupp they can't hear anyone giving Rupp credit without also hearing them taking credit from someone else
believe it or not, there's not always a bad guy
Excellent point, I couldn't agree more.