To all of those who keep incorrectly stating that Rupp broke the American 10,000m Record:
He did no such thing! The only thing he did was run an incredible time, which was faster than the old AR, but technically speaking he never broke any records. He was on pace for the American record for awhile, but as soon as Solinsky went by him, he was no longer running AR pace. Stop the madness and respect the record.
technically, rupp ran faster than the american record as solinsky's mark has yet to be approved.
Well, if you're going to get really technical, no one has the AR until it's been certified (including drug testing results). So in one sense it's accurate to say that Rupp broke (or at least ran faster than) the AR, which CS does not yet have officially.
u67i wrote:
Well, if you're going to get really technical, no one has the AR until it's been certified (including drug testing results). So in one sense it's accurate to say that Rupp broke (or at least ran faster than) the AR, which CS does not yet have officially.
It would be... if Rupp's time had already been certified. Of course, this whole thread is pretty ridiculous.
Sorry, my previous post was supposed to be a response to the OP.
For whatever reason, LRC is not permitting me to post my whole reply, so I'm going to try it one paragraph at a time.
II. But, assuming Solinsky's record gets certified, your point is well taken--though completely obvious, and not worthy of starting a thread IMHO (hence 1/10). We should say that Rupp ran faster than the previous record--assuming people can understand that that means "previous to the race," and I really think most people can...
III.
Anyway, this is my favorite example of crossing the finish line after the person in front of you sets the record, and *still* setting the record:
IV.
"The Soviet women swept the medals in the [Olympic pentathlon in 1980], with all three athletes bettering the previous world record. Actually, all three set world records, with bronze medalist Olga Kuragina crossing the line in the 800 first with 2:03.6, followed by silver medalist Olga Rukavishnikova in 2:04.8, and [Nadezhda] Tkachenko coming in 4/10ths of a second later for the gold medal. Tkachenko’s world record of 5,083 was the first mark ever over 5,000 points."
V.
[Okay, I was trying to give the Wikipedia source for the quotation--I guess the LRC software doesn't like that.]
Imagine being the world recordholder for four-tenths of a second!
I realize that this thread might be considered ridiculous. I understand most here understand the situation and the difference, but when the media reports it wrong it's just wrong and misleading.
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_15001298?nclick_check=1
First sentence states, "As planned, Galen Rupp broke the American record in the 10,000-meter run Saturday night at the Payton Jordan Cardinal Invitational."
The American Record for the Men's 10000m is 27:13.98 until USATF, the governing body for the sport of track and field in the United States, ratifies a new record. Go check USATF's webstie. Keflezighi is still the AR holder until USATF says otherwise.
So you're wrong.
u67i wrote:
Well, if you're going to get really technical, no one has the AR until it's been certified (including drug testing results). So in one sense it's accurate to say that Rupp broke (or at least ran faster than) the AR, which CS does not yet have officially.
Well if YOU'RE going to get really technical Rupp's time is not certified until they certify the winning time...So again Rupp NEVER broke the record!
Ummmm, hey homo boys. Ever remember an incident in Seoul around 1988 where second place Carl Lewis got a world record although winner Ben Johnson ran 9.79 for the 100m?
I doubt Solinsky is dirty but point proven.
Go Rupp!
Go Solinsky!
I don't need to go check the USATF's website. I'm just stating that Rupp never broke the American Record and so are you. So you are in agreement with me.
Sure he did. Solinsky and Rupp broke the current AR. What USATF will do is determine if Solinsky set a new AR, but going through a checklist of requirements to verify whether or not Solinsky (or Rupp) has set a new American record. They've both broken/exceded the current mark.
The official position is that a new AR is pending ratification, as two men have bettered the existing mark.
on the runs wrote:
Sure he did.
No he didn't. If they have to ratify Solinsky's time then they have to ratify Rupp's time as well. Assuming Solinsky's time is ratified, it will become the new record, thus Rupp never broke the American Record. Until he runs faster than 26:59.60 and finishes ahead of all the other Americans, the 10,000m record will remain forever unbroken by Rupp.
Once again...
Ummmm, hey homo boys. Ever remember an incident in Seoul around 1988 where second place Carl Lewis got a world record although winner Ben Johnson ran 9.79 for the same 100m?
I doubt Solinsky is dirty but point proven.
Go Rupp!
Go Solinsky!
u67i wrote:
IV.
"The Soviet women swept the medals in the [Olympic pentathlon in 1980], with all three athletes bettering the previous world record. Actually, all three set world records, with bronze medalist Olga Kuragina crossing the line in the 800 first with 2:03.6, followed by silver medalist Olga Rukavishnikova in 2:04.8, and [Nadezhda] Tkachenko coming in 4/10ths of a second later for the gold medal. Tkachenko’s world record of 5,083 was the first mark ever over 5,000 points."
i remember reading about this in SI (when they cared about T&F). It posed an interesting question for IAAF - should Kuragina and Rukavishnikova be given a WR certs?
I cannot remember how it ended.
It reminds me of the "2nd to die" clause that is in Wills.
adhoc wrote:
on the runs wrote:Sure he did.
No he didn't. If they have to ratify Solinsky's time then they have to ratify Rupp's time as well. Assuming Solinsky's time is ratified, it will become the new record, thus Rupp never broke the American Record. Until he runs faster than 26:59.60 and finishes ahead of all the other Americans, the 10,000m record will remain forever unbroken by Rump.
You're talking about ratification. I'm saying that they both exceeded (broke) the currently ratified mark. Which they did. The All-Star 4x400m team broke the WR at the Tyson Invitational in 2006 but it was never ratified.
If the USATF web site is the deciding factor as to who (whom?) has the 10,000 AR, who knows how long Meb will retain the title.
Off the Grid wrote:
u67i wrote:IV.
"The Soviet women swept the medals in the [Olympic pentathlon in 1980], with all three athletes bettering the previous world record. Actually, all three set world records, with bronze medalist Olga Kuragina crossing the line in the 800 first with 2:03.6, followed by silver medalist Olga Rukavishnikova in 2:04.8, and [Nadezhda] Tkachenko coming in 4/10ths of a second later for the gold medal. Tkachenko’s world record of 5,083 was the first mark ever over 5,000 points."
i remember reading about this in SI (when they cared about T&F). It posed an interesting question for IAAF - should Kuragina and Rukavishnikova be given a WR certs?
I cannot remember how it ended.
And I can't either, but I'd bet they gave certificates to all three. Reminds me, sort of, of the triple jump in Mexico City--five world records by three guys. Damn, can you imagine breaking the WR *twice* in an event, and ending up with a bronze medal?
On further investigation, I see that the IAAF officially ratified all five WRs in the triple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_jump_world_record_progression), so maybe they did the same in that 1980 pent--I can't find a similar record progression for the event, however.