Everyone is using Solinsky's win as a chance to rip on Rupp, but Rupp had a great race too. If we forget about Solinsky for a second, a 27:10 is a very good run. And Rupp did a lot of work leading in the second half.
Rupp came into this race looking to beat the American record. And he did it. He can't help it that someone else showed up and ran ten seconds faster. So well done, Rupp. You set up that race for everyone to run fast, and you gave a great performance.
'Sammy Hagar Junior' Said the same thing about Chalenga for the 2008 XC Nationals and got ripped. Its a double standard with Rupp fans. For two years Rupp drafts and kicks for the win, people defend him saying that is the way you are supposed to race. Now he front runs and people defend him saying he raced hard. Which one is it? Its always double standard with Rupp fans.
oh yawn wrote:
'Sammy Hagar Junior' Said the same thing about Chalenga for the 2008 XC Nationals and got ripped. Its a double standard with Rupp fans. For two years Rupp drafts and kicks for the win, people defend him saying that is the way you are supposed to race. Now he front runs and people defend him saying he raced hard. Which one is it? Its always double standard with Rupp fans.
Wrong about XC 2008. 3:57.86i, 3000m NCAAs, 10000m NCAA outdoors against Chelanga and Shawn Forrest, etc., etc.
But, what does the truth matter to someone whose life revolves around pointing out how mean Rupp was in faking being tired after running 27:10 so as to avoid congratulating Solinsky?
Really I'm wrong about Rupp drafting for two years then kicking for the win. Watch the videos moron!
Chalenga ran a 27:08 and he wasn't too tired to congratulate Solinsky was he?
oh yawn wrote:
'Sammy Hagar Junior' Said the same thing about Chalenga for the 2008 XC Nationals and got ripped. Its a double standard with Rupp fans. For two years Rupp drafts and kicks for the win, people defend him saying that is the way you are supposed to race. Now he front runs and people defend him saying he raced hard. Which one is it? Its always double standard with Rupp fans.
The two things you just listed that are supposed contradictions are actually quite consistent. You might want to look at what you wrote again because it makes perfect sense, when according to you, it shouldn't have.
WRONG...Rupp sits and kick when its time to race and he front runs when its time to go fast....thats what you are supposed to do. You don't time-trial championship races and you don't sit and kick on a slow pace in time trials
oh yawn wrote:
'Sammy Hagar Junior' Said the same thing about Chalenga for the 2008 XC Nationals and got ripped. Its a double standard with Rupp fans. For two years Rupp drafts and kicks for the win, people defend him saying that is the way you are supposed to race. Now he front runs and people defend him saying he raced hard. Which one is it? Its always double standard with Rupp fans.
Hahaha you are such an idiot, I laugh at how stupid you are. Take off the Rupp goggles.
youreanidiot wrote:
WRONG...Rupp sits and kick when its time to race and he front runs when its time to go fast....thats what you are supposed to do. You don't time-trial championship races and you don't sit and kick on a slow pace in time trials
actually this is exactly right...
championship races it doesnt matter what time you run, the goal is to get to the line first
the goal in this race was to run under 27:13...Rupp did what he had to do to accomplish that
this is nothing against Solinsky, the only point is Rupp ran awesome as well
The point of the race was to set the American Record. If another American is contending with you then it becomes a race and not a time trial. Rupp raced and got owned. I'm tired of the double standard set here by the golden boy lovers.
My God. Rupp runs under the previous AR and people bash him for not winning? You all bash him for pushing the pace the last half, saying by doing so he didn't "race" and instead handed the win to Solinsky? Watch the video's guys, had Rupp not pushed the pace and rather raced Solinsky for the win the pace would have slowed (no one else was willing to push the pace) and neither would have been sub 27:13. Rupp ran the second fastest 10k by an American EVER. Only second to Solinsky. Shoot, I'd give my left nut to be either of those guys. Until you can run a sub AR time shut the hell up. They both ran great.
And about Rupp not congratulating Solinsky... I have no problem with that. I never congratulated anyone who sat on my ass and cherry picked the win either. That doesn't mean I've never sat and kicked though!
Rupp ran awesome. Chalenga ran better and Solinsky ran even better! This is a great era for American distance running. End of story.
I have to agree with the initial sentiment, if we could forget about Solinsky for just 11 seconds: Rupp had a goal to beat 27:13.98. He trained for it, paced himself in the race, and he did beat the old AR by a fairly comfortable margin. He ran his personal best time, chopping off some 23 seconds, in a time better than any American had done before the race started. What more could you reasonably ask?
By every measure, Rupp's performance deserves praise; he didn't make any obvious "strategic" errors; and he did enough to achieve the goal, albeit 11 seconds too late.
It must be gut-wretching for him, to have done everything according to the plan, and still fall short of the stated goal, not because of poor execution, but because some "debutant" beat him to the punch. Surely Rupp, along with the rest of the Western world, could not foresee Solinsky's performance in a 10K debut. How many people can rightfully say their slowest 10K is sub-27?
I say congratulations to Rupp, Solinsky, Chelenga, and Bairu, and so many others, for making this the most exciting 10K race I've ever watched.
Without rupp pushing the pace, the American Record would not be 26:59 right now. He set the race, called for an AR with pacers, and essentialy ensured 9000 meters of American Record pacing. Everyone else got a sit-and-kick opportunity. Rupp really only had one choice, I mean, he's not going to call for an American record and then chill off the pace because he doesn't want to lose to chelanga and solinsky.
There's a few people in that race that should really be thanking rupp as they reaped benefits of his hard work.
Plenty more opportunities to come, I'd certainly like to see the next Collegiate Record holder, that's for sure.
1) Galen Rupp needs to be applauded for dipping under the old American Record as he said he would. That record had stood for a long time, so to get under it is very good...great even.
2) Solinsky had a great race on a great night for running in a 10,000 with rabbits and some fast runners to push the pace beyond that...BUT he doesn't need to thank Rupp or anyone else in that race for anything. He did the training and got himself into shape to be able to do what he did in Palo Alto.
The posters on this board all too often want to discredit good performances. We've already seen the gamut...Solinsky is on PEDs, and this is the fastest he'll ever run a 10,000, and he has to thank Rupp. It's all crap. Rupp didn't pull Fam or Jason Hartmann to an American Record. Solinsky got it because of his talent and his training. He need not thank anyone other than maybe his coach and perhaps his wife...thanking Rupp for establishing a record pace though...nope.
POD. My thoughts, exactly.
Rupp made the race and he deserves credit for holding and pushing the pace. As for the yappers about his lack of congratulating Solinsky, WTF are you talking about???
We've known it for a long time, but Letsrun is full of stupid people. But like watching a train wreck, you can't look away. How low can they go? How moronic and scuzzy can can anyone be? Just tune into Letsrun!!!
Flagpole wrote:
He need not thank anyone other than maybe his coach and perhaps his wife...thanking Rupp for establishing a record pace though...nope.
Perhaps Solinsky doesn't have to give Rupp and his pacers credit for setting the pace, but in the post-race interview he did just that. Probably because he realizes that it takes talent, training, and opportunity and the opportunity wouldn't have been there without Rupp in the race and driving the pace.
Citizen Runner wrote:
Perhaps Solinsky doesn't have to give Rupp and his pacers credit for setting the pace, but in the post-race interview he did just that. Probably because he realizes that it takes talent, training, and opportunity and the opportunity wouldn't have been there without Rupp in the race and driving the pace.
It's polite, humble, and shows good sportsmanship to do that, but as I said, he didn't OWE that to Rupp at all. To hear it from many posters here, anyone could have run in that race and done as well as Solinsky because Rupp was there to set the pace and pull everyone along. That's just BS. The credit for the victory and the American Record goes to Chris Solinsky.
The credit for the victory almost certainly is due to Solinsky and his alone. To think that he (or anyone else in that race) could have gone out and soloed the American Record is idiocy.
Why are you wasting time talking about Rupp and not criticizing Bekele if thats how you feel about drafting off other people for wins?
oh yawn wrote:
The point of the race was to set the American Record. If another American is contending with you then it becomes a race and not a time trial. Rupp raced and got owned. I'm tired of the double standard set here by the golden boy lovers.
That was a great run by Rupp! He lowered his PR by 23 seconds and broke Meb's record, he just got beat.
It would have been interesting to hear what Alberto thought Galen would run that night before the race. Did he think he could go under 27 or more like 27:10?
Rupp ran out of gas the last couple of laps but made the race. I actually thought he looked pretty smooth until Solisky put the hammer down 2 laps out.He'll break 27 minutes soon.
Solinsky would have been hard to beat Saturday night. He closed in 1:56 off a fast pace and may have had another gear if he was pressed.
As for not immediately going to congratulate Solinsky, everyone should let that go. We've all been there. He ran is ass off, was tired and probably a little disappointed but snapped out of it within a minute and shook Solinsky's hand.