Nate Jenkins training - 190 mile week smart?

He got injured before when he was doing less mileage. Go look up Japanese training programs, you'll find women doing this much mileage. He's running slow so he can recover. He knows more about marathon training than you do I would say, so maybe try to learn something.

Bill Rodgers? Runners from the 70's, early 80's?

I did 6 workouts!! how much more speed do you want out of me and yes a shit ton of junk miles but they all have a purpuse. I have been running like shit, poor diet got anemic but i'm pretty much square now. Hammy is still an issue but much improved.

the idea was to do a ton of miles for 10 days(i'm going to post all this when the 10 days is up but eveyone despite me specifically telling them not to get there panties in bunch is flipping out on me) do some quality work (at around marathon pace 29 miles so far, a ton of short hills 4 sessions so far, all with very tired legs(from tons of junk miles also a lot of those girls were solid runners and also a lot of those miles were on loops that were a bit long and extremely hilly not lightly rolling like lowell.

This is training to help me train better. I'd explain it all but i'm not in the mood and this keyboard sucks so go to IAAF site and buy canova book and read it. download some stuff on what the japanese do, read it, download stuff on what baldini does read it. read a bit on benji durden, read a bit on rodgers and kenny moore and bordin. while your at it check out the brazil marathoners (de lima, dos santos ect..) and the mexicans from the 90's and put it all together and you got how I came to the training I do now.

is there injury risk? oh hell ya but f*** man I just watched a guy run 2:06 in 80 degree weather if i'm going to be even a solid also ran I got to take some risks.

nate, i have great respect for you to take risks. "good on ya." best to you.

Solid training programme.....High volume with lots of 4km and 3 mile intervals. I am doing something similar right now, but my intervals are mainly 2km and 3km. My long run is tomorrow (Tuesday) at about 40-45km, since I am flying back to the USA on Friday night.

As for fatigue and burnout, it goes with the high mileage and hard training. You have to train to overcome the body's own fatigue.

Jason

what marathon are you training for? keep it up

Go for it. I love seeing it. Good luck.

Nate, you should do what I did lately: HIRE A COOK!

I'm betting that's a bit pricier in Lowell than it is in Thailand.

jason makes a point.

what do you eat and what kind of "rest" do you get? as a guy way past my prime (aren't i, HRE?), i wish i had done a better job eating and resting.

If yuo have the time and energy to run 190 mpw he should be winning Olympic Gold. Otherwise it is a waste.

I agree with others who said an athlete should focus on diet and rest, as much, if not more than a hard training session. While we all like to predict our 5k time off of that great 5 x mile workout we should also take into consideration how much rest we get. Remember Physiology 101? You body only gets stronger when it heals...and it is hard to not break down with 20 runs a week.

That said when he finally backs off (or gets injured) he will come back very strong. I ran myself into the ground and was burnt out all the time and raced like crap. I got hurt, trained smarter and ran 29:30 for 10k, which for my talent was like a gold medal. The over training had finally come back to me...in other word I had time to rest and heal.

who accused Nate of being smart--more is better

Typical of Letsrun, no one reads what is written, they read what they want to hear.

"Now don¡¦t all go getting your panties in a bunch this isn¡¦t some crazy new training plan its just a big cycle for 10 days as a super comp phase." - Nate Jenkins

Nate Jenkins is NOT running 190 miles per week. He ran 190 miles in ONE week.

His weekly mileage: 81, 96, 60, 105, 127, 152, 191

Love me Dead wrote:Remember Physiology 101? You body only gets stronger when it heals...and it is hard to not break down with 20 runs a week.

I've scoured both Guyton and Ganong, what page was that on?

Plus he just ran 25:30 for five miles this week after not being able to break 32:00 for 10k a few weeks ago. Yeah I'm sure this guy's not a workout warrior at all.

[quote]Love me Dead wrote:

If yuo have the time and energy to run 190 mpw he should be winning Olympic Gold. Otherwise it is a waste.

YOU, my lazy friend are a dilweed and probably a loser. Now, that being said, I don't think Nate needs to stay at 190 mpw to race his best down the road; (probably in the 120 range +/- with more quality); but there is nothing wrong with pushing the envelope once in a while. I pushed the envelope by hitting 140 mpw a few times, but was comfortable and fine with 115 to 130 mpw.

If you run a 100 mile week then 80 miles a week is 'resting', if you run a 130 mile week then 100 miles a week is 'resting', if you run a 191 mile week then 130 miles a week is 'resting'.

Think of training as peaks and valleys. Think in both micro (day to day, hour to hour, week to week) and macro (weeks to weeks, months to months, years to years).

Stress the body (hard workout, high mileage week/month/day, new type of workout, etc). Heal, repair, adapt, while maintaining fitness (easy easy day, lower mileage week/month/day, same old type of training). Stress the body again (harder workout, higher mileage, etc).

If you do the same thing over and over again you'll get less and less of a benefit. Simple adaptation theory. You also have to push the edge, sharpen the blade, then back off, repeat again but push harder sharpen more.

Remember when you first started running an hour a day? It hurt didn't it? Remember your first time running doubles. It hurt didn't it? Remember your first mile repeat workout, your first marathon, your first 5k. It hurt didn't it? Does it hurt now? Is it difficult now? Probably not.

If you've been maxing out at 70 miles a week for 4 years in a row now and have been running the same types of workouts would you really expect to improve?

The marathon is a 26.2 mile race. For the best it will last between 2 hours and 2 hours 30 minutes. It is a test of endurance and stamina. 191 miles is 27 miles a day. I bet he doesn't have any issues with the distance when he races a marathon. If you never or rarely put in more than 2 hours a day how you can expect to run well for 2 hours and 30 minutes on race day?

Alan

So you've never been out of shape and raced at less than your potential, I take it? Yeah me either, I just run my PB +/- 2 seconds every single time I race. Regardless of courses our weather or training. Stupid.

Details from his log, last year before the Trials. Check the last sentance do the math:

These are just some stats I put together to give a general frame work to the training I have done since coming back from mono. I missed 8 or 9 weeks with mono and ran two for two weeks prior to my first race back.

First race march 25 off two weeks running 25:11 for 5 miles

30 weeks of training since

2991 miles

Average of 99.7 a week

2 weeks over 150

5 weeks over 140

6 weeks over 130

6 weeks over 120

10 weeks over 110

16 weeks over 100

High week 157 miles

Low week 2 miles (after hurting Achilles at Falmouth)

Races

Road 2 miles- 1 – 9:05(2nd)

Road 5k’s- 5 - 14:50(1st, cr), 14:21(8th), 14:32(4th), 13:46(downhill, 1st,cr), 14:31(1st,cr)

Track 5k’s- 2 - 14:37(?pretty far back), 14:20(1st)

Road 4 mile- 1 – 18:50(11th)

Road 5 mile/8k’s 2 25:11(3rd) and 24:07(4th)

Road 7 mile- 1 - dnf

Road 12k 1 36:21(1st,cr)

Road 15k- 1- 46:22(13th)

Half Marathon- 1- 1:06:16 (7th)

Since starting marathon prep (last 6 weeks) I have run 103 miles at or below goal marathon pace.