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Stanford Cardinal Invite Preview: Women's 10k, Men's 1500 Highlight
by: LetsRun.com
May 2, 2008
*Stanford Start Lists

This Sunday is Stanford's Payton Jordan Cardinal Invite. The meet is most known for its Kim McDonald 10,000m races (home of the men's and women's American records). The meet almost always has perfect time trial conditions, so it's always full of top name athletes running for free hoping to achieve Olympic qualifying performances.

This year's meet is no different.

This year also represents probably the last time a meet of this caliber will not be streamed over the internet live. Thanks to www.ustream.tv and mogulus.com and others, now any meet (or event) in the world can be streamed over the internet live for FREE as long as there is a high speed internet connection and a camera. The Stanford athletic department has some things they need to work out, so they wouldn't let us at letsrun.com stream it to you. (Our plan was to stream it to you live and then shut down the site since our site depends on traffic from people trying to figure out the results of obscure events not on tv that the general public does not care about. Instead we're sticking around for another year).

Update: The meet may be streamed by on flocasts.org. They say they're streaming it but Stanford told us no one would be allowed to stream it when we asked to stream it live ourselves. And the official meet preview mentions Runnerspace.com covering the meet. So check flocasts Sunday night or flocasts or runnerspace Monday morning for taped videos.

Women's 10,000m the Marquee Event This Year
The Kim McDonald women's 10k is the top long distance event on tap at this year's Cardinal Invite, as there is talk of an American record (currently Deena Kastor's 30:50.32) attempt by Shalane Flanagan.

Kara Goucher may have gotten the bronze medal last year at World's at 10,000m, but the favorite in our (and your book) is Shalane Flanagan.

Editor's Note: Our point below stands that Goucher would not be the favorite stands but she has pulled out of the meet.


Kara Goucher
Advanced Poll
Who Will Win the Stanford 10k?
Shalane Flanagan 43.1%
Kara Goucher 26.1%
Kim Smith 15.6%
Sally Kipyego 10.1%
Jen Rhines 2.1%
Other 1.9%
Sabrina Mockenhaupt 1.0%

Total Votes: 1951


 
 

Goucher's bronze was well deserved, but quickly think: who did she outkick for the bronze last year? Britain's Jo Pavey and New Zealand's Kim Smith. Ethiopia's third runner Ejegayehu Dibaba was well off the pace and Ethiopia's Mestawet Tufa dropped out. And contrary to popular opinion, the Kenyan women have not had much success at Worlds (last year the Kenyan women got 3 medals on the track which nearly increased their all-time total by 50%. Up until last year, since the start of the World Champs in 1983, the Kenyan women had 7 track medals total in 16 World Champs and Olympics)

So Goucher's bronze was impressive but in our books it wasn't her most impressive run of the season. That would have been her 1:06:57 half marathon where she crushed Paula Radcliffe in Paula' first race back from maternity leave. The bigger point is that even if she were 100%, Goucher's bronze medal would  not automatically make her the favorite.

But Goucher's 15:33.25 last weekend for 5k indicates she's not in top form. Plus, due to the idiotic IAAF qualifying rules where the emphasis is on time and not place, Goucher has not hit the minimum "A" qualifying standard for this year's Olympics (31:45.00). The qualifying standard, not the win, will likely be Goucher's goal on Sunday. (The IAAF should have the qualifying standards determine how many athletes each country can send to the Olympics, but then let each country pick its best athletes). Considering there are not many 10ks run in the world that hit the standard and athletes can not hit the standard after the Olympic Trials, it's likely Goucher will be even more cautious especially if Flanagan is after the American Record. The easiest way not to hit the standard is to go out on a suicidal pace and die. No one remembers what happens in May or June (Goucher got destroyed by Deena Kastor at the US 10k champs last year), they remember what happens in August (the shiny bronze medal on Goucher's neck).


Shalane Flanagan Winning Again

(photo by photorun.net)

Flanagan and the American Record?
So that turns us to Flanagan. She showed last year (American indoor 3000m record, American 5000m record) she can run fast, especially earlier in the season. (She was beaten by Jen Rhines last year at Worlds by 1 spot). Flanagan has upped her game even more in 2008, going to altitude training for the first time (under the watchful eye of NYC Marathon champ German Silva) and starting off 2008 with dominating wire to wire victories (at the US XC Champs and the Central Park Challenge 8k). When in Boston for the Trials, we heard a few people indicate that Flanagan has no intentions of taking her first 10,000m race on the track easy and will be shooting for the American record. Flanagan kept her intentions a bit more coy at the Central Park Challenge 8000 saying her next race would be a "really nice, fast 10k at Stanford," but an American record attempt wouldn't shock us.

Editor'e note: Kevin Beck of Running Times wrote us and said he did an article on coach John Cook and his three athletes Shalane, Erin Donohue and Shannon Rowbury in the June issue of Running Times. Beck wrote Cook said she could run 30:30, so expect her to go out in 15:15. Beck tells us there is a podcast here where he talks about his John Cook and Shalane.

A few things are going against Flanagan and her record attempt. First 30:50.32 is fast (33rd in the world all-time) so it can not be taken lightly. Secondly, this is Flanagan's first track 10,000 ever and running a track 10,000m can be very mentally challenging. Thirdly, it's Flanagan's first track race of the year.

Last year Flanagan broke the American 5000 record (14:44) in her first outdoor track race of the year, and the American 3k indoor record in her first indoor race of the year, so breaking the 10k record her first time out is perhaps not as daunting (although she did run some indoor races last year) as it may seem.

If the race is a bona fide American record attempt, in its latter stages we think there is one athlete who can stay with Flanagan, and it's Kiwi Kim Smith. Smith was an NCAA star in Providence, and has showed a lot of promise since. Three years ago in Boston, she ran 14:50 all-alone indoors lapping runners the entire way in one of the most surprising performances in a long time. She's never really run faster since (14:49 outdoors isn't as impressive), but doesn't get a lot of respect. (She may be the "Rodney Dangerfield" of running as some are saying) A win on Sunday would go a long way in erasing that title.

Being ignored is last year's champ (31:17.31), Jen Rhines. Rhines is the wife of Terrence Mahon (her coach and Deena Kastor's and Ryan Hall's coach) and she is getting better with age. Last year she ran prs at 3k (8:35) and 10k (31:17.31) and she isn't showing any signs of slowing down (she'll turn 34 in 2 months). She beat Smith last year at the Cardinal Invite (Smith ran 31:20 for a Kiwi national record), but if the race is a sub 31 minute affair we just think it's more likely Smith is the one with Flanagan instead of Rhines.

Others: Sally Kipyego has dominated the NCAA ranks for the last couple of years and enters the race in the best shape of her life after a 15:11 5k pr and win at Mt. Sac. She is now showing she can perhaps bridge the gap from the top of the collegiate ranks to the professional ranks but she only ran 31:56 here last year. Taking a minute off that time is a difficult task. German Sabrina Mockenhaupt is in the field, as is a strong Japanese and Mexican contingent but don't expect them to contend up front. If Alicia Shay runs it will be her first race since the death of her husband Ryan.

Predictions: 1) Flanagan 2) Smith 3) Rhines 30:50 is fast but it's not that fast. Sub 30:30 is a much harder club to join, and although we're a bit leery to predict American records (as they are very hard to come by) if Ingrid Kristiansen could run 30:13 22 years ago, it's time for the US mark to catch up to the rest of the world. American record for Flanagan.
On the boards:
*Kim Smith is Rodney Dangerfield
*Shalane Flanagan will run a track 10000m, predict her time
*Alicia Shay Gets Huge Front Page Profile in Sports Section of USAToday USA Today


Craig Mottram

(photo by photorun.net)

Men's 10,000m: Question Marks All Around
The Kim McDonald men's 10,000m is full of question marks. It's got some fairly big names on the starting list (Craig Mottram, 13:03, 7:30 stud Mark Carroll, Olympian Dan Browne, Irish record holder Alistair Cragg, Japanese 5k record holder Takayuki Matsumiya, NCAA XC Champ Josh McDougal, European champ Jan Fitschen, British 13:07 guy Mo Farah, and last year's champ Galen Rupp), but most of them are of questionable fitness or past the prime of their careers.

The favorite if he runs is Mottram. Mottram like everyone else is training in Flagstaff this spring. The Aussie has had an up and down 2008 (he ran a US all-comers record of 7:34 in January, 13:11 in February but was only 31st at the World Cross Country Champs). He's already raced 8 times in 2008 (more if you count relay races like this), but a change at a backup "A" standard in the 10,000m may coax him to the starting line on Sunday.

If Mottram runs, he's the favorite because he's the class of the field even if everyone else was in their prime which they're not. Mo Farah, 2nd at the Carlsbad 5000m, and a 13:07 guy from Britain seems like the next likely challenger although this is his 10k debut.

Everyone else is full of question marks. Of guys not past their prime, Alistair Cragg has done well here in the past but he dropped out of World Cross and was beaten by no-name former EPO cheat Cathal Lombard at the Irish XC Champs. Josh McDougal only ran 13:38 at Mt. Sac and was only 5th and 6th at the NCAA 3k and 5k indoors. Takayuki Matsumiya has run 13:13 which is a Japanese national record (shows you don't need great speed to be world class in the marathon), but he only ran 13:40 2 weeks ago.

That brings us to Galen Rupp. Rupp won last year but it was in bizarre fashion. He didn't go with the leaders when the race was broken open and then somehow managed to catch-up and get the win. Rupp has had trouble winning the big races (NCAA champs), but ironically got a big win last year when he was just going for a big time. Mile speed is not essential for running a 10k, but Rupp only ran 4:03 last week, and coach Alberto Salazar indicated a sub 4:00 was the goal beforehand..

Predictions: It's hard to predict a time trial. Hopefully Mottram runs. If not a guy to watch out for is a guy listed on the 2nd section, Collis Birmingham. Birmingham ran 13:21 at Mt. Sac to win and qualify for the Australian Olympic team. He should be in the 1st section.

Mo Farah will do well and understands where Stanford fits into the big scheme of things. He told Athletics Weekly, "We will set off at 27:30 pace and see how it goes, but the best guys in the world are running around 26:30-27:00 - that is where it is at"
1) Mottram 2) Farah 3) Birmingham
On the boards: *
McDougal a 10K Warm up before Stanford?
*
Craig Mottram running 10k at Stanford


Nick Symmonds Rarely Loses

(photo by photorun.net)

Advanced Poll
Who Will Win the 1500 at Stanford?
Chris Lukezic
Lopez Lomong
Nick Symmonds
Matt Tegenkamp
Other


View Results

Men's 1500: Symmonds vs Lomong
The most interesting race on the men's side we think is the men's 1500. We'll call it the Nick Symmonds vs Lopez Lomong duel. Sure 3:33 guy Chris Lukezic is in the field, but everyone overlooks him so we might as well. just got ruined. Stanford split the 1500m into 2 equal sections. At least Lomong and Symmonds are still in the same section but that is only because Lomong's pr (3:37) doesn't make him the #2 guy on paper.

Lomong burst on the scene last year coming from seemingly out of nowhere to run a pr 3:37.07 to defeat Leonel Manzano and win the NCAA championship. Then, Lomong opted to run the 800 at USA Nationals last year. He then continued his upswing with a 3rd place at the NCAA Cross Champs. He subsequently turned pro and many are excited about him joining the US 1500m ranks.

Nick Symmonds specialty is the 800 (coming off a 6th at the World Indoor champs) but he did run a 3:56.72 indoors last year. Symmonds is a true competitor and we've yet to see him not bring his "A" game (the dude went undefeated in college and much of high school at 800. DIII or not, that is impressive). He's raced once outdoors so far this year, last weekend at Penn Relays on the opening leg of the DMR. So what did he do? Blast it from the gun, going out in 1:52 to split 2:51. Lomong had better be ready on Sunday.

Lukezic has run 3:33 and made the US Worlds team but he ran his seasonal best last year a nationals (3:36.95) and was still nearly a second and a half behind third place (double world champ Bernard Lagat), so this is a pivotal season for him. Step up and challenge Lomong and the 3 guys who beat him last year at USAs, or soon be forgotten. Lukezic also opened up his mid-d campaign last week at Penn with a 1:48.43 split.

5k runners Matt Tegenkamp (who lost to Lomong over 1500m last week by .6 seconds) and Chris Solinsky are in the field as well as the every consistent Canadian 1500m runner Kevin Sullivan. Tegenkamp has very good speed (4th in the world's 5k and he ran 3:34 last year).

Predictions: 1) Lomong 2) Symmonds 3) Tegenkamp
On the boards: *
Stanford 1500m ONLY thread


Bernard Lagat and David Krummenacker

Men's 5k: Lookout for Lagat
The race has 12:55 5ker (back in 2005) Boniface Songok, US World Champ members Abdi Abdirahman, Jorge Torres (coming off his 19th place finish at World Cross), and Ian Dobson, 27:43 10ker James Carney, NCAA XC champ Simon Bairu, but the race is world champion Bernard Lagat's to lose.

Before Lagat was world champ at 5k, he used to regularly destroy the North American circuit of 5k guys at Mt. Sac. His kick is ferocious and we'd be shocked if he doesn't win on Sunday (he too still needs his "A" qualifier.)
Predictions: 1) Lagat 2) Torres

Women's 1500: A High Schooler in the Field
First major props to high schooler Jordan Hasay for making the field. Also in the field are Lauren Fleshman (coming off a narrow 15:12 5k loss to Sally Kipyego), Sara Hall (Ryan's wife, fresh off a 1500 win and 800 pr at Mt. Sac), 4:05 1500m runner Lindsay Gallo, and 4:06 runner Amy Mortimer. Surprise indoor 3k champ Shannon Rowbury is also in the field (4:12 pr)

Predictions: 1) Fleshman 2) Hall Hall may get the most attention but her pr is "only" 4:08. We're not ready to put her ahead of Fleshman
On the boards: *HASAY (YES, HASAY THE HIGH SCHOOLER) is running in the first heat of the 1500 at Stanford!!! Wow!! .

Men's 800: NCAA 1500m Preview?
Leo Manzano
drops down to the 800 and the race also has new Oregon miling star Andrew Wheating. We'd never heard of Wheating until this week when he ran 3:58.16 but it will be interesting to see what he does here (Wheating only ran one year of high school track). We probably wouldn't even mention this race except for Wheating and the fact we got an email from someone this week saying how Wheating may win NCAAs this year at 1500. (Do they not realize Manzano won NCAAs as a freshman and has gotten better?) Former NCAA star Kevin Hicks may be the class of the field. Hicks ran the 1200 at Penn in 2:53.8 last weekend.
On the boards:
*does Leo have a chance to make the oly team?

Men's Steeple:
It will be interesting to see what surprise NCAA 3k champ Kyle Alcorn runs

*Stanford Start Lists


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