Freshman runs 9:19 3200

The 9:19 is even more impressive in the way it was run, and who he beat. That was one of the strangest races I have seen in that the entire field went out in a blistering pace. The 2nd place finisher in that race already has a time in the single 9's also but faded due to the early pace of 61, 209 at 800. The entire field paid for that pace except Havel who just ran away from everyone.

If Havel continues to develop, and given the coaching system he came from there is little doubt in mind that he will, he may be one of the greats. Obviously, it is early in his career. However, I should note that he finished something like 4th in the state xc meet, which places him really only behind Jorge Torres for freshman placing (Jorge was 2nd as a frsoh- Don Sage was, I think, 24th as a frosh, though his time was very fast).

I think Havel gets a lot of notice because he runs in a state that tends to get a lot of press for hs xc and track. Sin Taye also deserves serious props, and may also develop into one of the greats.

With Sean MacNamara injured and just returning from that injury, the field for state is truly wide open. Sean has gone sub 9 in time trials, and his teammate Matt Dettman has run 9.07, but I could not predict the results of the upcoming race.

For the non-americans among us, how old is a freshman?

Rampant Rat wrote:

For the non-americans among us, how old is a freshman?

About 14 or 15 yrs.

Gimme a break. I hear all you yorkies talking about these damn time trials, when are you people going to get it through your head that those mean nothing. I doubt the times all you stooges tell are real anyway. Lets see what they can run in a real race.

Yeah, lets see what the York guys can run in a real race jackass! They won NTN easily, and had two guys at Footlocker. They must really suck. Keep doubting them and see what happens. You are going to look like such a fool after this weekend's state meet.

any relation to michael taye...the former d3 5k/10k champ at frostburg who is also black?

not sure about the relation, but the two tayes that attend a high school in portland, maine are brothers... one is a freshmen and the other is a senior i think (or junior, not sure)!?!?

the other point is that they are ethiopian, which does not make them "black", but african (north african)... north africans are caucasian, but because ethiopia is closer to the equator then morocca, algeria and that is why most of ethiopians are dark... they look nothing like the kenyans, ugandans, etc...

so, taye can be referred to as "dark" skinned, not black.

What happened to him in the 1600 after later in the sectional meet? He faded very badly and got passed by 6 or 7 runners on the last lap.

I believe Mike Taye is Somalian. Correct me if I'm wrong.

He suffered the same fate all the 3200 runners did paying for the uneven race. None of the 3200 meter runners doubling qualifyed, the top one(Fresen) was about a half step behind Lancaster running the only decent race of the bunch as the rest faded badly.

Tinman wrote:

Hulst was running higher mileage in junior high school and running road races with his dad, I read on a California track website. Still, 9 flat (2 miles, not 3200m which is about 20m shorter) is very impressive!

According to that How They Train book from the 70s that Greg Brock compiled, Hulst started running as a freshman after formerly being a tennis player.

But he goes to Hersey Hig School. Unless a revival is going on in Hersey as it did in Wheeling during the Torres era....the guy has no chance.

Hey buddy, I really don't think you know what you are talking about. My first point would have to be that there have been many great runners on terrible teams, which is why in cross country and track the state of Illinois has devloped a revolutionary new system where people can qualify for state as individuals!!!!!!!!!!

My second point is that Hersey is a very good team. They finished 10th at state, and finished 1 point behind the team that got 2nd in state at the sectional meet.

I wouldn't qualify this as a resurgance because Hersey's team as been very respectable since at least the late 90's. They are led by a very knowledgable coach who was a successful runner himself.

Hersey also has another one of the top Frosh in the state in Wisser who not at the level of Havel is still good. In adition Havel often trains with the Prospect running club with Fed at the helm with some very good training partners to push him along.

Well, it is sort of a legitimate point, even if rudely presented. SO, let me offer the following. First, Sean Macnamara did run the 8.59 in a time trial leading to the state meet, and he later went on to take state and the NTN.

But here is where York is this season:

3200

Eric Dettman 9.07

Sean Macnamara 9.12 (coming off injury)

Matt Dettman 9.17

Brian Marchese 9.24

Dave Montgomery 9.24

And

E. Bilhardt 9.58

Tim Jung 9.59

1600

Matt Dettman 4.13

Eric Dettman 4.14

Sean Macnamara 4.14

Brian Marchese 4.18

Dave Montgomery 4.20

Matt Arnold 4.23

Justin Jordan 4.28

Mike Fry 4.29

Tim Achtien 4.35 (frosh)

800

5 guys are under 2 min, with the fastest at 1.54, and slowest at 1.58

So, not too shabby overall, I would think.

Just wondering, any particular reason why the York guys didn't come too close to PR's at the sectional meets?

Apart from Broe, most great runners who come out of IL, seem to come out of the Prospect running club or York.

I wouldn't say not too shabby, I would say almost unbelieveable. This is why York is so dominant. I am sure that people will look at anecdotal evidence of better teams in years past (I am sure we can find York teams that are better than this years), but year in and year out any HS coach would be happy to have 3 of these runners, let alone a stable of 7 under 10 minutes and 8 under 4:30.

Why run your pr at sectional? I'd rather do what's needed to qualify for state (the York guys are good enough to do that), then go and have the race of my life in the state finals.