This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
The Nordic countries did science while we did politics unfortunately. Anyone under the age of 40 and not otherwise at high risk is an idiot for taking the jabs.
Also, it’s simply not true that rates of myo- and peri-carditis were higher in convalescent, unvaxxed patients. The CDC study that suggested so was full of confounders itself.
“SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Myocarditis During the 28-day risk period after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test, there were 73 myocarditis cases. Excess events of myocarditis were 3.26 (95% CI, 1.90-4.61) events per 100 000 individuals with a positive test result among all males, and 1.37 (95% CI, −0.14 to 2.87) events per 100 000 individuals with a positive test result among males aged 16 to 24 years (eTable 7 in the Supplement).”
Background: SARS-CoV-2 infection can induce significant pathologies including neurological, cardiac and vascular disease events. We assessed strength of associa
Or are you saying there is no such thing as vaccine injuries and my claim that there have been is dishonest?
How does the fact that maybe 2 players were out for non vax reasons mean all the others were not out due to the vaxx>
Your claim that over 700 athletes have collapsed/suffered cardiac arrest/died due to the vaccine is dishonest.
Your proof only shows a possible temporal relationship between the vaccine and the adverse event; you have never shown any proof of a causal relationship between the vaccine and the adverse event.
It's like arguing that the 2000 Americans who die within 24 hours of watching the Super Bowl died because they watched the Super Bowl.
I shouldn't really be taking you so seriously.
Have a nice weekend.
- Athlete deaths in 2005-2006 averaged 66/year. - Covid appeared in Jan 2020, yet over a year later in the five months from Jan to May 2021, athlete deaths (33) occurred at an annualized rate of 79/year. That's very close to the rate back in 2005-2006, but the vaccine was not yet widely available to athletes in the first half of 2021. - The covid vaccine became available to younger people (i.e. athletes) around May to July 2021. What happened then? - The rise in athlete deaths skyrocketed beginning in June 2021. The annualized death rate for June 1 to December 31, 2021 was 672. That's a change in annualized death rate from 79 pre-vaccine to 672 post-vaccine. That's an 8.7-fold increase! Again, this jump appeared just as the vaccine became available (or in some cases mandated) for athletes. If it were long-Covid or a post Covid effect, we would see death rates higher in the first part of 2021. We did not.
From 66 per year to 672 per year once the jabs began.
This tells you nothing?
If the number of Americans who die each day went up by a factor of ten plus among those who watched the Super Bowl, would you argue there is no connection?
Such is the case with French tennis player Jeremy Chardy, who just bowed out of his 2021 season over what he said was a reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine, which he now says he regrets receiving. “Since I had my vaccine (between the Olympics and the US Open), I have had a problem, I’ve had a series of struggles. Suddenly, I cannot train, I cannot play,” the 34-year-old player told French news agency AFP last week.
Chardy, who once ranked 25 in the ATP Tour and has beaten a few tennis greats like U.S. Open Champion Daniil Medvedev, said that he began experiencing violent pains all over his body whenever he began to train.
The number of Americans who have died after getting the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccine has soared to 2,050 as of March 19. This is according to data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a federal database that tracks injuries and deaths after vaccination.
The death toll is a subset of 44,606 total adverse events, which also include 7,485 visits to the emergency room or emergency medicine doctors, 4,450 hospitalizations and 826 permanent disabilities. These events were reported after vaccination with any of the three coronavirus shots approved for emergency use in the United States – the Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines. xemptyzEven healthy people die after receiving coronavirus vaccine Many of those who died after taking the COVID-19 shot had a pre-existing condition, but some of the deceased were healthy before getting vaccinated. Last January, a doctor from Miami died of stroke over two weeks after getting vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. xemptyzDr. Gregory Michael, a 56-year-old obstetrician at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, was “perfectly healthy” before taking the jab on Dec. 18 last year, according to Michael’s wife Heidi Neckelmann. xemptyz“He was in very good health. He didn’t smoke, he drank alcohol once in a while but only socially. He worked out, we had kayaks, he was a deep sea fisherman,” she said. xemptyzPhysicians determined that an extremely low number of platelets induced Michael’s stroke, which Neckelmann believed was triggered by the vaccine. “In my mind his death was 100 percent linked to the vaccine. There is no other explanation,” she bared. (Related: Compilation of recent stories and videos covering covid vaccine injuries, side effects and DEATHS.)
An Ohio mother is speaking out about her 12-year-old daughter suffering extreme reactions and nearly dying after volunteering for the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine trial. Stephanie De Garay told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Thursday that after reaching out to multiple physicians they claimed her daughter, Maddie De Garay, couldn’t have become gravely ill from the vaccine. "The only diagnosis we've gotten for her is that it's conversion disorder or functional neurologic symptom disorder, and they are blaming it on anxiety," De Garay told Tucker Carlson. "Ironically, she did not have anxiety before the vaccine." CHINESE WHISTLEBLOWER EXPOSES COVID-19'S ORIGINS ON 'TUCKER CARLSON TODAY' De Garay explained that after receiving the second coronavirus vaccine dose, her daughter started developing severe abdominal and chest pains. Maddie described the severity of the pain to her mother as "it feels like my heart is being ripped out through my neck."
Can’t access that article as it’s behind a paywall, but, here’s another anecdote for you. I have a very good friend who got an extreme case of Covid (high fever for 8 consecutive days, bedridden). Half of his family, including his wife, who is a nurse, got vaccinated. The other half didn’t. The wife still contracted very severe Covid herself, enough to seek medical attention.
Anyhow, this friend would not listen to basic advice, take high dose vit D, Vit C, zinc, quercetin, immune support like elderberry, ionic iodine, even Pepcid or Celebrex. It got so bad, his doctor told him to take Fluvoxamine and monoclonals, but he refused to listen. Just stubborn and chose to ride it out. Never hospitalized but now he has long haul Covid. He’s also an idiot for not trying to thwart the virus early with an easy formula that dozens of my friends and family have used successfully. At this point, the “acceptable” treatment would be Paxlovid, and that’s totally fine, but it wasn’t available then.
Sooooo, yes, contrary to your previous statement about my denying the potential ramifications of a Covid infection, at least w a strain like Delta, I am acknowledging that I know a Covid long hauler intimately. I also know someone who died because she took the vaccine. You have multiple times tried to denigrate the story of the latter, even though it exists, she once existed. Something tells me that, even as you won’t accept her as a plausible story and outcome, you will absolutely accept the former as very legitimate because it buttresses your case. So, for me, it’s one to one. One had no choice, she took the risk. The other one was just stupid, didn’t even try to fend it off.
lmao you can't make this sh*t up. meanwhile, if you know people in the military, everybody and their mother can tell you quietly of someone seriously f'd up by the clotshot.
but that's okay, unbiased Facebook and the other fact-checkers are here to combat misinformation.
never mind that they've been virtually wrong about every major detail of the mRNA injection since the first jabs rolled out (and censored/banned ppl who were right)...
lmao you can't make this sh*t up. meanwhile, if you know people in the military, everybody and their mother can tell you quietly of someone seriously f'd up by the clotshot.
but that's okay, unbiased Facebook and the other fact-checkers are here to combat misinformation.
never mind that they've been virtually wrong about every major detail of the mRNA injection since the first jabs rolled out (and censored/banned ppl who were right)...
1. Your point may be valid. But... if problems from Covid can surface months or years after infection, isn't it possible that it might take months or years for heart problems to surface from the vaccine?
You can't compare the two, scientifically. We don't know how Covid developed, so we don't know how it's impacting the body, or what it might do long-term.
The vaccines were developed in a stringent scientific setting using established practices. Where Covid is an unknown entity, the development process of the vaccines, and the development of previous vaccines and medications that informed that process, give us data and certainty over the short- and long-term effects of vaccines that we can't have about the disease itself.
To argue that there's an equivalency in uncertainty is misleading, faulty logic.
Let's look at this phrase... "the development process of the vaccines"
What has been the development process of mRNA vaccines? A lot of what I found was technical, but the article below gives a pretty good summary. Here are some key points from this article and others that I found.
mRNA vaccines were developed, but not used, for Ebola. The mRNA vaccines for Covid are the first widespread use of mRNA vaccines. There have been no long term studies for safety. (The Pfizer clinical trial looked at subjects for a median time of only two months. It has been unblinded so there can be no long term followup.) The safety studies for mRNA vaccines has been done in rats and mice (see below). The problem with mouse studies is that mice aren't human. Life expectancy is 18-24 months so long-term problems aren't seen and these studies typically only last a few months.
Bottom line: We have no long term data on humans on the safety of mRNA vaccines. They look promising, but the bottom line is that this is the biggest role of the dice in the history of preventive medicine.
You can't compare the two, scientifically. We don't know how Covid developed, so we don't know how it's impacting the body, or what it might do long-term.
The vaccines were developed in a stringent scientific setting using established practices. Where Covid is an unknown entity, the development process of the vaccines, and the development of previous vaccines and medications that informed that process, give us data and certainty over the short- and long-term effects of vaccines that we can't have about the disease itself.
To argue that there's an equivalency in uncertainty is misleading, faulty logic.
Let's look at this phrase... "the development process of the vaccines"
What has been the development process of mRNA vaccines? A lot of what I found was technical, but the article below gives a pretty good summary. Here are some key points from this article and others that I found.
mRNA vaccines were developed, but not used, for Ebola. The mRNA vaccines for Covid are the first widespread use of mRNA vaccines. There have been no long term studies for safety. (The Pfizer clinical trial looked at subjects for a median time of only two months. It has been unblinded so there can be no long term followup.) The safety studies for mRNA vaccines has been done in rats and mice (see below). The problem with mouse studies is that mice aren't human. Life expectancy is 18-24 months so long-term problems aren't seen and these studies typically only last a few months.
Bottom line: We have no long term data on humans on the safety of mRNA vaccines. They look promising, but the bottom line is that this is the biggest role of the dice in the history of preventive medicine.
How do they calculate the probability to arrive at that "20 percent chance" ?
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What then would reverse the market decline? The base case for pharma companies is that the virus becomes endemic with a similar virulence to the Omicron coronavirus variant. But Moderna gives a 20 per cent chance of a more deadly variant emerging — “the big wild card”, said Bancel — which would soon motivate the hesitant or those bored of boosters.
How do they calculate the probability to arrive at that "20 percent chance" ?
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What then would reverse the market decline? The base case for pharma companies is that the virus becomes endemic with a similar virulence to the Omicron coronavirus variant. But Moderna gives a 20 per cent chance of a more deadly variant emerging — “the big wild card”, said Bancel — which would soon motivate the hesitant or those bored of boosters.
Massachusetts has seen the third active-duty police officer die suddenly in the last ten days. The Natick Police Department announced the sudden passing of one of their own on Wednesday. “It is with deep regret and sadness th...
Can’t access that article as it’s behind a paywall, but, here’s another anecdote for you. I have a very good friend who got an extreme case of Covid (high fever for 8 consecutive days, bedridden). Half of his family, including his wife, who is a nurse, got vaccinated. The other half didn’t. The wife still contracted very severe Covid herself, enough to seek medical attention.
Anyhow, this friend would not listen to basic advice, take high dose vit D, Vit C, zinc, quercetin, immune support like elderberry, ionic iodine, even Pepcid or Celebrex. It got so bad, his doctor told him to take Fluvoxamine and monoclonals, but he refused to listen. Just stubborn and chose to ride it out. Never hospitalized but now he has long haul Covid. He’s also an idiot for not trying to thwart the virus early with an easy formula that dozens of my friends and family have used successfully. At this point, the “acceptable” treatment would be Paxlovid, and that’s totally fine, but it wasn’t available then.
Sooooo, yes, contrary to your previous statement about my denying the potential ramifications of a Covid infection, at least w a strain like Delta, I am acknowledging that I know a Covid long hauler intimately. I also know someone who died because she took the vaccine. You have multiple times tried to denigrate the story of the latter, even though it exists, she once existed. Something tells me that, even as you won’t accept her as a plausible story and outcome, you will absolutely accept the former as very legitimate because it buttresses your case. So, for me, it’s one to one. One had no choice, she took the risk. The other one was just stupid, didn’t even try to fend it off.
So uh, you realize 2600s posting of an anecdote was not to encourage more useless anectodes but to encourage us to stick to data. But go off.
Anyway, I stopped reading after I got to Vitamin C. At least Linus Pauling gave us incredibly important chemical theories on top of his crackpot vitamin overdosing regimes.
