This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
1...You don’t get a COVID heart attack 3 weeks after recovering. You have an elevated risk for months or years afterwards.
2...But on a higher level, I simply don’t believe this data.
3...This a nothing but a correlative dataset that, at best, suggests the need for more rigorous studies. Good thing we have huge clinical trials showing minimal risk of heart problems! Someone already did the studies you want!
I shortened your reply for brevity. Let me begin by agreeing with you.
2. I don't believe the data either, but look at the magnitude of the increase! It's easy to dismiss some of these deaths... but we're looking at an 8.7% multiple!
1. Your point may be valid. But... if problems from Covid can surface months or years after infection, isn't it possible that it might take months or years for heart problems to surface from the vaccine?
3. Long term data doesn't exist, especially for athletes who routinely put their hearts at very high levels of exercise. Let's look at the Pfizer clinical trial data published in the NEJM on Dec 31, 2020.
The median observation period was only two months! So we have no long term data. And we can never have long term data because the clinical trial has been unblinded.
Did the clinical trial include any athletes (like us!) who exercise at high levels? How many male athletes were in this study? The answer is very few. Pfizer reported that the median age was 52, 42% were over 55, 35% were obese, and 49% were female. The deaths that have been reported mostly have been in athletes in the 20-35 age group.
Based on the lack of data on athletes, the apparent massive increase in heart attacks among athletes cannot be dismissed out of hand or simply dismissed as long Covid.
There have been 150% more adverse vaccine events in just the past 15 months than there have been in the entire 32-year history of VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). The number of reports are at historical levels...
Death inevitably follows pandemics, and it has been especially prevalent throughout the past two years, thanks to the Fauci-funded genetically modified virus that escaped from the Wuhan Lab in late 2019. Despite the mass roll...
You claimed FIFA had published a list of hundreds of footballers who'd collapsed the other day,I'm still waiting to see where FIFA ever published it.
Another lie.
. . . The unprecedented surge in cardiac arrest and other heart issues among elite athletes coincides with the rollout of COVID-19 jabs. The Miami Open made headlines in early April after 15 players — all of whom had reportedly received COVID-19 injections — dropped out. Among them were favorites Paula Badosa and Jannik Sinner. Badosa left the court in tears after becoming unwell, and Sinner’s opponent said he saw him “bend over” on the court, noting “it was very strange.” . . .
Your very reliable source failed to mention that Sinner's retirement at the Miami Open was due to foot blisters, and that Badosa had a virus. Neither had any cardiac issue.
"Jannik Sinner was forced to retire due to foot blisters. @FranCerundolo was leading 4-1 in the first set when Sinner called the match after 23 minutes."
A turn of events.
Jannik Sinner was forced to retire due to foot blisters. @FranCerundolo was leading 4-1 in the first set when Sinner called the match after 23 minutes.
. . . The unprecedented surge in cardiac arrest and other heart issues among elite athletes coincides with the rollout of COVID-19 jabs. The Miami Open made headlines in early April after 15 players — all of whom had reportedly received COVID-19 injections — dropped out. Among them were favorites Paula Badosa and Jannik Sinner. Badosa left the court in tears after becoming unwell, and Sinner’s opponent said he saw him “bend over” on the court, noting “it was very strange.” . . .
Your very reliable source failed to mention that Sinner's retirement at the Miami Open was due to foot blisters, and that Badosa had a virus. Neither had any cardiac issue.
"Jannik Sinner was forced to retire due to foot blisters. @FranCerundolo was leading 4-1 in the first set when Sinner called the match after 23 minutes."
A never ending profit machine. One vial after another after another full of mRNA goop. The scam is losing steam, but the vax mob mafia is a wild pit bull that won't let go.
"Although the Pfizer COVID-19 protection levels against omicron after 3 doses are substantially higher than those seen after 2 doses, they are less than those observed for delta or other COVID-19 strains," Tartof said. "Additional doses of current, adapted, or novel COVID-19 vaccines may be needed to maintain high levels of protection against subsequent waves of COVID-19 caused by omicron or future variants with similar potential to escape protection."
/PRNewswire/ -- A study released April 22 in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine shows that a booster dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine provides strong...
. . . The unprecedented surge in cardiac arrest and other heart issues among elite athletes coincides with the rollout of COVID-19 jabs. The Miami Open made headlines in early April after 15 players — all of whom had reportedly received COVID-19 injections — dropped out. Among them were favorites Paula Badosa and Jannik Sinner. Badosa left the court in tears after becoming unwell, and Sinner’s opponent said he saw him “bend over” on the court, noting “it was very strange.” . . .
Your very reliable source failed to mention that Sinner's retirement at the Miami Open was due to foot blisters, and that Badosa had a virus. Neither had any cardiac issue.
"Jannik Sinner was forced to retire due to foot blisters. @FranCerundolo was leading 4-1 in the first set when Sinner called the match after 23 minutes."
So a couple of players may have dropped out for non vaccine reasons (do not understate the dishonesty of the establishment media) and this means the vaccine injuries don't exist?
Your very reliable source failed to mention that Sinner's retirement at the Miami Open was due to foot blisters, and that Badosa had a virus. Neither had any cardiac issue.
"Jannik Sinner was forced to retire due to foot blisters. @FranCerundolo was leading 4-1 in the first set when Sinner called the match after 23 minutes."
So a couple of players may have dropped out for non vaccine reasons (do not understate the dishonesty of the establishment media) and this means the vaccine injuries don't exist?
You gonna have to flesh that one our for me
You highlighted 2 players and said they pulled out with vaccine injuries.
Yet again it was a clear lie.
Why did you say Nadal collapsed when it happened 11 years ago?
You also said he has recently collapsed,he got a rib injury which has put him put for 4-6 weeks.
Pure liars like you help the vax movement way more than hinders it as only stupids like you believe the nonsense you post.
So a couple of players may have dropped out for non vaccine reasons (do not understate the dishonesty of the establishment media) and this means the vaccine injuries don't exist?
You gonna have to flesh that one our for me
You highlighted 2 players and said they pulled out with vaccine injuries.
Yet again it was a clear lie.
Why did you say Nadal collapsed when it happened 11 years ago?
You also said he has recently collapsed,he got a rib injury which has put him put for 4-6 weeks.
Pure liars like you help the vax movement way more than hinders it as only stupids like you believe the nonsense you post.
I highlighted over 700 athletes who have dropped dead after jabbing.
Remember?
- Athlete deaths in 2005-2006 averaged 66/year. - Covid appeared in Jan 2020, yet over a year later in the five months from Jan to May 2021, athlete deaths (33) occurred at an annualized rate of 79/year. That's very close to the rate back in 2005-2006, but the vaccine was not yet widely available to athletes in the first half of 2021. - The covid vaccine became available to younger people (i.e. athletes) around May to July 2021. What happened then? - The rise in athlete deaths skyrocketed beginning in June 2021. The annualized death rate for June 1 to December 31, 2021 was 672. That's a change in annualized death rate from 79 pre-vaccine to 672 post-vaccine. That's an 8.7-fold increase! Again, this jump appeared just as the vaccine became available (or in some cases mandated) for athletes. If it were long-Covid or a post Covid effect, we would see death rates higher in the first part of 2021. We did not.
Your very reliable source failed to mention that Sinner's retirement at the Miami Open was due to foot blisters, and that Badosa had a virus. Neither had any cardiac issue.
"Jannik Sinner was forced to retire due to foot blisters. @FranCerundolo was leading 4-1 in the first set when Sinner called the match after 23 minutes."
So a couple of players may have dropped out for non vaccine reasons (do not understate the dishonesty of the establishment media) and this means the vaccine injuries don't exist?
So a couple of players may have dropped out for non vaccine reasons (do not understate the dishonesty of the establishment media) and this means the vaccine injuries don't exist?
You gonna have to flesh that one our for me
Flesh it out? Thanks for the laugh!
The only thing that was dishonest was your claim.
I will give you one more chance.
Is the request confusing?
Or are you saying there is no such thing as vaccine injuries and my claim that there have been is dishonest?
How does the fact that maybe 2 players were out for non vax reasons mean all the others were not out due to the vaxx>
You highlighted 2 players and said they pulled out with vaccine injuries.
Yet again it was a clear lie.
Why did you say Nadal collapsed when it happened 11 years ago?
You also said he has recently collapsed,he got a rib injury which has put him put for 4-6 weeks.
Pure liars like you help the vax movement way more than hinders it as only stupids like you believe the nonsense you post.
I highlighted over 700 athletes who have dropped dead after jabbing.
Remember?
- Athlete deaths in 2005-2006 averaged 66/year. - Covid appeared in Jan 2020, yet over a year later in the five months from Jan to May 2021, athlete deaths (33) occurred at an annualized rate of 79/year. That's very close to the rate back in 2005-2006, but the vaccine was not yet widely available to athletes in the first half of 2021. - The covid vaccine became available to younger people (i.e. athletes) around May to July 2021. What happened then? - The rise in athlete deaths skyrocketed beginning in June 2021. The annualized death rate for June 1 to December 31, 2021 was 672. That's a change in annualized death rate from 79 pre-vaccine to 672 post-vaccine. That's an 8.7-fold increase! Again, this jump appeared just as the vaccine became available (or in some cases mandated) for athletes. If it were long-Covid or a post Covid effect, we would see death rates higher in the first part of 2021. We did not.
Nope,yet more lies.
Why did you post about Nadal collapsing when it happened 11 years ago?
Why did you say Kyrgios pulled out the aussie open when got to th4 final?
Why did you say Jakupovic pulled out,when it happened 2 years ago?
1...You don’t get a COVID heart attack 3 weeks after recovering. You have an elevated risk for months or years afterwards.
2...But on a higher level, I simply don’t believe this data.
3...This a nothing but a correlative dataset that, at best, suggests the need for more rigorous studies. Good thing we have huge clinical trials showing minimal risk of heart problems! Someone already did the studies you want!
1. Your point may be valid. But... if problems from Covid can surface months or years after infection, isn't it possible that it might take months or years for heart problems to surface from the vaccine?
You can't compare the two, scientifically. We don't know how Covid developed, so we don't know how it's impacting the body, or what it might do long-term.
The vaccines were developed in a stringent scientific setting using established practices. Where Covid is an unknown entity, the development process of the vaccines, and the development of previous vaccines and medications that informed that process, give us data and certainty over the short- and long-term effects of vaccines that we can't have about the disease itself.
To argue that there's an equivalency in uncertainty is misleading, faulty logic.
Or are you saying there is no such thing as vaccine injuries and my claim that there have been is dishonest?
How does the fact that maybe 2 players were out for non vax reasons mean all the others were not out due to the vaxx>
Your claim that over 700 athletes have collapsed/suffered cardiac arrest/died due to the vaccine is dishonest.
Your proof only shows a possible temporal relationship between the vaccine and the adverse event; you have never shown any proof of a causal relationship between the vaccine and the adverse event.
It's like arguing that the 2000 Americans who die within 24 hours of watching the Super Bowl died because they watched the Super Bowl.
Name 1 player who pulled out of that tournament due to vaxx reasons?
You named 2 and as usual got proven wrong, so name some more so we can prove you wrong again.
"None of the athletes who withdrew or retired during the tournament did so because of COVID-19 vaccine side effects, according to the official causes listed by the Association of Tennis Professionals, Women’s Tennis Association, and published by the tournament organizer
The Nordic countries did science while we did politics unfortunately. Anyone under the age of 40 and not otherwise at high risk is an idiot for taking the jabs.
