Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Yes anything that does echo your own idiot opinions back at you must be discounted completely.

The truth is in the middle little fella. Grow up.

4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

doesn't*

You are a child. Gonna put you on the "do not reply to" list. So, waste of your time to reply to any of my comments or try to elicit a response from me.

How will you ever make it through the day being on Flagpole's dreaded "Do not reply to" list?

Don't worry I fully expect you to go to your grave oblivious to your stupidity. What a nice bonus for you that you can maintain high self esteem despite your laughable limitations.

You do realize sharing internal polling data is like sharing your list of favorite TV shows right?

6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

"Appears" means no proof. So they may or may have not had a meeting where nothing illegal was discussed. SCANDALOUS!!

you are denying the meeting took place.

what a tool you are. Just a blind propaganda sponge.

{or a quality troll. }

Mueller couldn't prove it took place so we have no idea if it did or not.

What we know with 100% certainty is that there's nothing unethical or illegal about the meeting.

You've been told to pretend to be outraged so you're just outraged without having any idea why...

Even more pathetic you LOVE the Steele dossier. Everything you accuse Trump of YOU actually did WORSE and had no problem at all with it.

the meeting happened. everyone says it happened.

you see nothing unethical in this:

1/ asking foreign hostile powers to interfere in US elections

2/ asking foreign hostile powers to hand over stolen information from your opponent.

ok man. You are a terrible american and an even worse small-d democrat. No idea how you look at yourself in the mirror.

Followed immediately by:

"From the AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION, Fat hurts:
"Mueller finds NO collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open"

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I love it when you argue directly against yourself. It is even more impressive when it comes in consecutive posts.

Good job!

Yeah...I mean that's all that's needed really. Is that "collusion?" Of course it is. Is it indictable as a crime? Well, Mueller left that up to the DOJ.

The Mueller Report and things leading up to it were uber important at the time (and still are important as historical record), but the amazing thing is that Trump did WORSE things since. What's worse than meeting with Russians in the Trump Tower to have them help them in the 2016 election?

1) Trying to bribe Zelensky to get dirt on Biden. I mean, of course he did this. It's the same thing he did with Russia in 2016, just a different country.

2) Saying OUT LOUD in front of cameras that Ukraine AND China should dig up dirt on Biden for his benefit. Ok, not even trying to hide his criminal behavior.

3) Told The Big Lie and continues to spread it.

4) Incited a deadly riot (and encouraged them to show up to begin with) to try to overthrow an election he lost. I mean, that's kinda pretty bad.

5) He gave classified information to a Russian Ambassador...information that wasn't even shared with our allies.

6) He accused Democrats of "treason" for not applauding his 2018 State of the Union address. Why is this so bad? Shows a level of self-importance and delusion that is beyond the pale.

7) He asked Georgia officials (recorded call of course) to fix the election for him.

I could go on all day listing his outrageous and criminal behavior from FELONY Campaign Finance Law violations to ~TWO DOZEN accusations of sexual harassment and assault to serial lying (he won't have time to golf!), to not getting his big ticket items done (no wall, Mexico didn't pay for sh!t, Hillary not locked up, the national debt not only was not on the path to being eradicated in 8 years but it skyrocketed during his first and only term), suggesting we inject disinfectants, Tim Apple and like flubs, and on and on and on with this idiot of a person.

I made this longer than a children's book, so Sally didn't read it.

You are a moron.

Yep. Tater (TAITR) is a terrible American and person. He clearly could not care less about freedom, the US Constitution, or our Democratic Republic.

At this point it's obvious Flagpole and Putin are the same person. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Fair enough...but to be fair, you have more than one question here.

Here's a general covering principle that should help you understand where I'm coming from: if it is true that a crime was committed, then Trump should be charged with said crime, given a fair trial, and either convicted or exonerated. The court of public opinion means less than zero when it comes to whether or not a crime occurred. Now then...

1) "Receptive to back channels" doesn't sound like a crime to me. The man openly gave adulation to the Russian government for not retaliating after Putin did not retaliate after Obama expelled diplomats due to "Russian spying." This is his MO: Trump loves to pretend that he and other world leaders are buddy-buddy. That bothers the left. So what? Is Biden going to get further in stabilizing the North Korean threat than Trump did? Probably not...because that involves meeting "Dear Leader."

2) The stolen e-mails came from "Wikileaks" and it is so much of a stretch to say that they are aligned with the Kremlin.

3) Sharing polling data is a crime, to my knowledge. Trump put defending Ukraine on the agenda. He gave them Javelins. Obama gave them radar and the precedent of doing nothing after Crimea was invaded.

4) This is connecting the dots in a manner that approaches absurdity. The campaign shared data with a known spy in the hopes that it would be shared with someone else they could have shared it with directly? Why?

5) Part of Trump's campaign...a large part of it, in fact...is the principle "America First." Why would Trump want to advance Russian interests? Why would he put Ukraine on the Republican platform if he was Putin's sock-puppet?

6) Without question, Trump wanted Hillary's e-mails during her term as Secretary of State. Those are government documents and should have been on the public record. Hillary kept them on a private server, deleted many of them, and claimed they were about "pregnancy and pilates." OK, then why make them disappear? They probably had information that could be used against her. No one knows what that is. Wanting government documents, even if they can be used against your opponent, is not a crime.

7) Good....we agree that Trump is responsible for putting Ukraine on the agenda. If not he, then who? It wasn't on the platform before Trump, and if you take the time to read "American Carnage," you will find that even that author, who is clearly no fan of Trump, says so. (That's where I got this from, to be transparent.)

8) Damning if true, less than worthless if it was a joke. I'm gonna use the "Fifth Avenue" test here: since Trump has shot a grand total of zero people on Fifth Avenue, I'm going to assume this was a joke.

9) Too many weasel words here. Name one Russian hacker.

10) Julian Assange and Trump are in no way buddy-buddy. Assange has little respect for our institutions, and Trump actually has great respect for them. The most likely explanation of your undefined claim is a lucky guess.

11) I don't know what this means. In the future, please be more specific. Trump used Wikileaks? Oh, hell yeah. Hillary would have used it if she didn't have the Steele dossier. Still waiting on the peepee tape...

12) Cohen was actually charged in a court of law...was he convicted of the charge you brought up? To my memory, no.

13) The transition team met with Russians? So what? Is that illegal?

(1) Many possible explanations. Trump wanted a "hands off Ukraine" policy. Is that a bad thing?

(2) Trump understand diplomacy. Reminder: we are supposed to see Putin as evil, and where has it brought us? Answer: the brink of WWIII.

14) See above.

Now for the meat of the matter: you are no fan of Trump, right? It's easy to see how you can take all your points seruously...but if you think this through, why would Trump want to advance Russian interests? How do you account for his defense of Ukraine (you've answered this somewhat by not giving him credit; I've cited a liberal source--the author of "American Carnage" who says different).

I'll give you this: Trump and his administration may have met with the Russkies. Again...so what? You want to believe that Trump is un-American. I've been to more than one of his rallies. The audience there is largely fat, lazy, and entitled aka. as American as they come. In the words of our current President, who this thread is supposed to be about: C'mon man...