This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
"Look at these numbers for two years. There is excess above the baseline, These were periods when we were seeing deaths that were higher than we expected. This is monthly data. In December 2020, it was 41% higher than it was supposed to be. September 2021 was a weird month for that, as it was 39% higher than it was supposed to be. But luckily in 2022, it declined. But you're still in this 10%, 12%, 11%, 14% in December 2022. These are big numbers, these are very stable. Recently, in 2023, it's been more like 6%. The data's not mature yet for the more recent months, but in January 2024, so far it's 6.2%. Just to complete the story, you look back at 2019, and these numbers were basically zero, somewhere above zero, somewhere below 2018’s."
DanM makes a good point but the reality is even worse than these excess death numbers show.
Excess deaths even excluding COVID deaths is still above normal.... 6.2% in January 2024... see above bolded text.) However, excess deaths should now be below normal. Let me explain.
US COVID deaths over the age of 75: 611,000
Annual mortality in the age 75 to 84: 5%
Annual mortality in the 85 and up group: 15%
Combined annual mortality In these two groups per year: 1.8 million. 1.8 x 4 years = 7.2 million.
If you take an age cohort and kill off the most sickly and most likely to die within the next few years, then the mortality rate for the remaining healthier population should be lower for a few years.
Instead, excess deaths are still above normal.
The most likely cause is either long covid or the vaccine.
Science would study both to find the cause. Instead, "science" is studying long covid while vaccine damage is being studiously and intentionally ignored and doctors who bring it up are being ridiculed.
Don’t worry, after my buddy with the severe heart inflammation dies, Harambro will be here to tell us he’s glad the fairy tale is over and to stomp on this guy’s grave. It’s not like he’s Harambro’s friend or family after all. Harambro will also be here incessantly to remind me how poor my immunity is despite my never getting Covid, even while traveling constantly 🙄. And when that fails, he will audible to his Crohn’s disease warning. Yep, nothing amiss here at all. This would all be so funny if it weren’t so sad.
I gave them the data many times (not 30; maybe 3 to 5; these guys just make stuff up). His 2nd comment is pure BS. I provided data for the entire world and the correlation of highly vaxxed nations to high Covid death rates is incredibly strong.
Harambro has proved time and again that he doesn’t believe in science and doesn’t believe in data. Neither have supported his position over this time.
However, I’ll be here every day to call him out when he spreads misinformation. 👍
First J&J, now AZ. The establishment is preparing their onslaught of propaganda for when the devastatingly bad news comes about Pfizer and Moderna. RFK brain amoeba stories won't save them.
Yes, only you guys are allowed to use your “friends” to make points. I’m sure your friends family is happy to know that you bring up his name and every anti-vax.
First J&J, now AZ. The establishment is preparing their onslaught of propaganda for when the devastatingly bad news comes about Pfizer and Moderna. RFK brain amoeba stories won't save them.
Too bad the RICO law is not uniformly enforced.
The evidence is out there already. It’s just a matter of if/when it gets acted upon.
If there is action, we’ll have the pleasure of Harambro being here still insisting “safe and effective.” 🤦♂️
The resident vaxtard has been quiet on the news of another Covid vax being pulled. 👎
There were barely any of the AZ vaccine given the the US. Are you guys dumb?
This vaccine was not used much after rare clotting complications were discovered in 2021 by national health orgs.
You guys are literally 3 years behind. The ignorance is hard to believe, yet you are stroking each other off like you're the next Einstein. Embarrassing.
"Look at these numbers for two years. There is excess above the baseline, These were periods when we were seeing deaths that were higher than we expected. This is monthly data. In December 2020, it was 41% higher than it was supposed to be. September 2021 was a weird month for that, as it was 39% higher than it was supposed to be. But luckily in 2022, it declined. But you're still in this 10%, 12%, 11%, 14% in December 2022. These are big numbers, these are very stable. Recently, in 2023, it's been more like 6%. The data's not mature yet for the more recent months, but in January 2024, so far it's 6.2%. Just to complete the story, you look back at 2019, and these numbers were basically zero, somewhere above zero, somewhere below 2018’s."
DanM makes a good point but the reality is even worse than these excess death numbers show.
Excess deaths even excluding COVID deaths is still above normal.... 6.2% in January 2024... see above bolded text.) However, excess deaths should now be below normal. Let me explain.
US COVID deaths over the age of 75: 611,000
Annual mortality in the age 75 to 84: 5%
Annual mortality in the 85 and up group: 15%
Combined annual mortality In these two groups per year: 1.8 million. 1.8 x 4 years = 7.2 million.
If you take an age cohort and kill off the most sickly and most likely to die within the next few years, then the mortality rate for the remaining healthier population should be lower for a few years.
Instead, excess deaths are still above normal.
The most likely cause is either long covid or the vaccine.
Science would study both to find the cause. Instead, "science" is studying long covid while vaccine damage is being studiously and intentionally ignored and doctors who bring it up are being ridiculed.
Antivaxxers are still dying of COVID, fisky. A third possibility is simply still 'COVID' which we know is still frequently miscounted as the proximal cause of death.
The 'pull forward' effect is hypothetical and assumes that COVID kills those about to die disproportionately to other causes of death. It's not clear if this is the case.
Lastly, there are statistical issues with calculating excess deaths when you have a prolonged increase in deaths over several years. The formula for computing baseline deaths matters a lot and can easily give you 5% error.
European mortality – using sophisticated methods – is at or below baseline. Despite high vaccine rates:
I wouldn’t call that irony in the same way you are alleging one of Colbert’s vax dancers died from cancer caused by the vaccine to simplify it for nahbrahs. I would call it malevolent and a criminal coverup with global ramifications.
Why won’t Dan say that the vaccine caused her cancer and what is his support for such a claim?
The resident vaxtard has been quiet on the news of another Covid vax being pulled. 👎
There were barely any of the AZ vaccine given the the US. Are you guys dumb?
This vaccine was not used much after rare clotting complications were discovered in 2021 by national health orgs.
You guys are literally 3 years behind. The ignorance is hard to believe, yet you are stroking each other off like you're the next Einstein. Embarrassing.
You should have just stayed silent. You’re just embarrassing yourself. 🤦♂️ Sad.
There were barely any of the AZ vaccine given the the US. Are you guys dumb?
This vaccine was not used much after rare clotting complications were discovered in 2021 by national health orgs.
You guys are literally 3 years behind. The ignorance is hard to believe, yet you are stroking each other off like you're the next Einstein. Embarrassing.
You should have just stayed silent. You’re just embarrassing yourself. 🤦♂️ Sad.
Objective To assess rates of cardiovascular and haemostatic events in the first 28 days after vaccination with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine ChAdOx1-S in Denmark and Norway and to compare them with rates observed in the gene...
