Part of the democratic process is allowing voting on proposed legislation. But in 2020 the Republicans used the filibuster once. The Democrats? A record 327 times. Not a typo - 327 times. Biden and Dems whine and bellyache all the time about the big, bag meanie repubs using the filibuster unfairly. Yet it is the Dems who use it all the time. Please never again, Agi[, say the Dems are about democracy. That is a bold-faced lie.
There you have it, folks - Sally admitting right up front that she and her party want to destroy America (because Dems are mean).
How the heck did I say anything approaching that? I said Dems are the biggest hypocrites around when they filibuster more than anyone in history but when they are in power they cry that the Repubs might also use the filibuster. If you employ a measure to benefit yourself don't cry like a little baby when the other side similarly employs that measure to benefit themselves.
There you have it, folks - Sally admitting right up front that she and her party want to destroy America (because Dems are mean).
How the heck did I say anything approaching that? I said Dems are the biggest hypocrites around when they filibuster more than anyone in history but when they are in power they cry that the Repubs might also use the filibuster. If you employ a measure to benefit yourself don't cry like a little baby when the other side similarly employs that measure to benefit themselves.
Here is the post you were responding to:
"note that 'constitutional conservative' Sen Mike Lee, former anti-trumper, spent the winter texting Trumpthat he's willing to go along with a coup if the WH could just clean up the optics a little for him." - agip
So, you're right, your side "similarly" employs "measures" to benefit themselves.
How the heck did I say anything approaching that? I said Dems are the biggest hypocrites around when they filibuster more than anyone in history but when they are in power they cry that the Repubs might also use the filibuster. If you employ a measure to benefit yourself don't cry like a little baby when the other side similarly employs that measure to benefit themselves.
Here is the post you were responding to:
"note that 'constitutional conservative' Sen Mike Lee, former anti-trumper, spent the winter texting Trumpthat he's willing to go along with a coup if the WH could just clean up the optics a little for him." - agip
So, you're right, your side "similarly" employs "measures" to benefit themselves.
other points aside, and going with Sally's #s (which are no doubt misleading in material ways) note the crazy equalizing logic here:
Republican 'law and order constitutional conservatives' literally plot and scheme to overthrow a presidential election, which results in the first non-peaceful transfer of power EVER in the US.
Democratic lawmakers use a totally normal tool in the senate, used by both sides for generations.
Sally: See!!! They're both the same!!!!!!
I mean it's nutso. These right wingers have zero sense of grounding or measuring the importance of things. They are all for violence and crime and sedition when it's their side doing it.
There you have it, folks - Sally admitting right up front that she and her party want to destroy America (because Dems are mean).
How the heck did I say anything approaching that? I said Dems are the biggest hypocrites around when they filibuster more than anyone in history but when they are in power they cry that the Repubs might also use the filibuster. If you employ a measure to benefit yourself don't cry like a little baby when the other side similarly employs that measure to benefit themselves.
For the headscratchers...Joe Biden was, for a brief time, the frontrunner in the 1988 Presidential election. Then he gave a speech where he neglected to cite a quote from a British labor leader. That was instantly labeled "plagiarism," and his candidacy was sunk. Quite an accomplishment before the 24 hour news cycle!
See, there are two Joe Bidens: one is a dedicated career politican who knew how to work the levers in Washington, the other got close enough to greatness that people unironically think of his as the second coming of the top of the 2008 and 2012 ticket. He got sucked into a the vacuum created by the bleeding edge of the left, and I don't think the role suits him well. He'll almost certainly end up a one-termer at this point, unless we prosecute and win WWIII. No thanks.
p.s. The only apparent similarity between old and new Biden is his penchant for four or more campaign slogans. Here are some from 1988: "Pepsi Generation", "Voice of optimism", "Save the children", and "Scold the voters." How many slogans did Trump have again? Is it possible that a future Dem candidate will use "We need a Dance Dance Revolution." as a campaign slogan? Stay tuned and find out!
How the heck did I say anything approaching that? I said Dems are the biggest hypocrites around when they filibuster more than anyone in history but when they are in power they cry that the Repubs might also use the filibuster. If you employ a measure to benefit yourself don't cry like a little baby when the other side similarly employs that measure to benefit themselves.
And the Republicans do exactly the same thing.
Do you favor eliminating the filibuster?
In 2020 the Dems did the filibuster a world record 328 times while Trump was in power. Biden wins the election and I see democrat Congressperson after democrat Congressperson after democrat Congressperson cry about how we need to do away with the filibuster. just about every Dem Congressperson was wanting to do away in early 2021 simply because the Dems were now in power and they didn't want the filibuster to derail any of their radical legislation. Just a bunch of phonies and scoundrels.
In 2020 the Dems did the filibuster a world record 328 times while Trump was in power. Biden wins the election and I see democrat Congressperson after democrat Congressperson after democrat Congressperson cry about how we need to do away with the filibuster. just about every Dem Congressperson was wanting to do away in early 2021 simply because the Dems were now in power and they didn't want the filibuster to derail any of their radical legislation. Just a bunch of phonies and scoundrels.
You still haven't answered the question. It's a really easy one.
See, there are two Joe Bidens: one is a dedicated career politican who knew how to work the levers in Washington, the other got close enough to greatness that people unironically think of his as the second coming of the top of the 2008 and 2012 ticket. He got sucked into a the vacuum created by the bleeding edge of the left, and I don't think the role suits him well. He'll almost certainly end up a one-termer at this point, unless we prosecute and win WWIII. No thanks.
this poster is not aware that hard left loathes biden. AOC/Bernie types want actual hard left policies, not the center-left stuff Biden does and right wingers call 'socialism' because right wingers are no-thinking propaganda sponges.
Calling joe biden a hard left guy just shows how ignorant you are and how much propaganda you willingly soak up day and night.
See, there are two Joe Bidens: one is a dedicated career politican who knew how to work the levers in Washington, the other got close enough to greatness that people unironically think of his as the second coming of the top of the 2008 and 2012 ticket. He got sucked into a the vacuum created by the bleeding edge of the left, and I don't think the role suits him well. He'll almost certainly end up a one-termer at this point, unless we prosecute and win WWIII. No thanks.
this poster is not aware that hard left loathes biden. AOC/Bernie types want actual hard left policies, not the center-left stuff Biden does and right wingers call 'socialism' because right wingers are no-thinking propaganda sponges.
Calling joe biden a hard left guy just shows how ignorant you are and how much propaganda you willingly soak up day and night.
This poster here. I need a moment of solid reflection to ask if I was trolling...OK...I'm back.
There are a lot of things I don't know, but it isn't exactly fair to say that the progressive frustration with Biden is among them. They wanted Bernie. The party had other ideas. The Party gave them Kamala, in my view, as a compromise. Some compromise.
Let me draw out an inference that I think you skipped over: I said Biden will be a one-termer at this point. The reason I said that was because his support among young voters--where all the enthusiasm and energy of the party resides--is rapidly eroding.
The real meat of the matter, anyway, is what comes next. The Party behaved like Bernie was unelectable in the last cycle. Kamala's polling numbers lag behind Biden's. My best guess ia that Mayor Pete is on deck and he's got some wonderful pre-made arguments about how the likely Trump/DeSantis ticket is anti-gay. Except...that argument won't hold water among Trump's base, which has probably expanded thanks to the pandemic.
There's a lot I don't know, and these are just guesses. For what it's worth, I'm asking you respectfully to refrain from mind-reading, and I want to layer that with some actual curiousity: who do you have in 2024, and how do you see it playing out?
this poster is not aware that hard left loathes biden. AOC/Bernie types want actual hard left policies, not the center-left stuff Biden does and right wingers call 'socialism' because right wingers are no-thinking propaganda sponges.
Calling joe biden a hard left guy just shows how ignorant you are and how much propaganda you willingly soak up day and night.
This poster here. I need a moment of solid reflection to ask if I was trolling...OK...I'm back.
There are a lot of things I don't know, but it isn't exactly fair to say that the progressive frustration with Biden is among them. They wanted Bernie. The party had other ideas. The Party gave them Kamala, in my view, as a compromise. Some compromise.
Let me draw out an inference that I think you skipped over: I said Biden will be a one-termer at this point. The reason I said that was because his support among young voters--where all the enthusiasm and energy of the party resides--is rapidly eroding.
The real meat of the matter, anyway, is what comes next. The Party behaved like Bernie was unelectable in the last cycle. Kamala's polling numbers lag behind Biden's. My best guess ia that Mayor Pete is on deck and he's got some wonderful pre-made arguments about how the likely Trump/DeSantis ticket is anti-gay. Except...that argument won't hold water among Trump's base, which has probably expanded thanks to the pandemic.
There's a lot I don't know, and these are just guesses. For what it's worth, I'm asking you respectfully to refrain from mind-reading, and I want to layer that with some actual curiousity: who do you have in 2024, and how do you see it playing out?
well heck you seem to be saying Biden is a tool of, or member now, of the 'bleeding edge left' so I'm not exactly mind-reading here. I'm word-reading.
I think trump will win the WH in 2024, unless he is in serious legal trouble or too ill due to his advanced age.
This poster here. I need a moment of solid reflection to ask if I was trolling...OK...I'm back.
There are a lot of things I don't know, but it isn't exactly fair to say that the progressive frustration with Biden is among them. They wanted Bernie. The party had other ideas. The Party gave them Kamala, in my view, as a compromise. Some compromise.
Let me draw out an inference that I think you skipped over: I said Biden will be a one-termer at this point. The reason I said that was because his support among young voters--where all the enthusiasm and energy of the party resides--is rapidly eroding.
The real meat of the matter, anyway, is what comes next. The Party behaved like Bernie was unelectable in the last cycle. Kamala's polling numbers lag behind Biden's. My best guess ia that Mayor Pete is on deck and he's got some wonderful pre-made arguments about how the likely Trump/DeSantis ticket is anti-gay. Except...that argument won't hold water among Trump's base, which has probably expanded thanks to the pandemic.
There's a lot I don't know, and these are just guesses. For what it's worth, I'm asking you respectfully to refrain from mind-reading, and I want to layer that with some actual curiousity: who do you have in 2024, and how do you see it playing out?
well heck you seem to be saying Biden is a tool of, or member now, of the 'bleeding edge left' so I'm not exactly mind-reading here. I'm word-reading.
I think trump will win the WH in 2024, unless he is in serious legal trouble or too ill due to his advanced age.
Biden will likely be the Dem nominee.
I'll try to be more careful in my phrasing, then. If I've given you the impression that I believe Biden is at all aligned with the Progressive wing of the party, then that was a mistake. I view current Biden as the same one who ran in '88 with a few tweaks, namely: careful orchestration and silence. To wit...he was added to the ticket in '08 to take the edge off the perception that Obama was a "radical." In office, he earned the reputation as a "loose canon," doing things like using the F-word on a hot mic (when describing Obamacare's passing) and forcing Obama to come out in favor of gay marriage by announcing his support of it.
I agree with your prediction. I think we have more in common than it appears.
I believe he has been very happy to accept the generosity of his supporters and his son is very happy to use his name to open any door he can access. Whether he is actually demented or just a slowed-down version of the loose cannon we have known for his 40+ year Washington career is still open for debate.
