Official Covid Vaccine thread

Harambe wrote:

Official COVID Vaccine Thread Moderator wrote:

Simpson’s Paradox is definitely a thing and explains the seemingly alarming results. Vaccination is key in the elderly. BUT, two other things are also clear.

Vaccination status in <50 cohort doesn’t matter. The Israeli/UK data conflict on effectiveness for the <50 group, with one saying it helps, the other saying it hurts. As your explanatory link points out, this is because it’s hard to derive any meaningful conclusions when you are measuring outliers, because that’s what severe cases are when you are talking 50 / 5,000,000. Given spread of virus is not tempered much by vaccination, we don’t be needing to put that much effort convincing the 1/100,000 people who might be affected.

The choice of the word “still” 90% effective is peculiar, since that used to mean effective against infection, and now it means effective against death. It is effective against death in the elderly, but until Omicron hit, it was thought to be effective against cases in everyone.

Omicron changed the way we view -all- immunity. It was sufficiently immune evasive to cause mild infections in people with vaccines and prior infection. There was always a risk that a new variant would escape immunity to some level, but as predicted from antibody breadth and T-cell recognition studies, protection against severe disease remained strong.

Considering that the vaccine is still a net positive (easily) for younger people and we have repeatedly seen shortages of medical care during virus surges, it makes 100% sense to convince everyone to get the vaccine (in populations for which it is approved). Every single severe case prevented is good. The only argument against this would be if there was more risk than reward but the data conclusively refutes that.

Official COVID Vaccine Thread Moderator wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Omicron changed the way we view -all- immunity. It was sufficiently immune evasive to cause mild infections in people with vaccines and prior infection. There was always a risk that a new variant would escape immunity to some level, but as predicted from antibody breadth and T-cell recognition studies, protection against severe disease remained strong.

Considering that the vaccine is still a net positive (easily) for younger people and we have repeatedly seen shortages of medical care during virus surges, it makes 100% sense to convince everyone to get the vaccine (in populations for which it is approved). Every single severe case prevented is good. The only argument against this would be if there was more risk than reward but the data conclusively refutes that.

Let's pretend you're a police chief for a major city and you have two situations: a mass murderer who's on the loose, and an individual who continually commits petty crimes. Do you deploy equal resources for both? In your press conferences, do you ask the public to be on the look out for both, equally?

This is the situation we have on our hands. There's no crisis with younger people (and especially not with children) regarding COVID at the population level. The studies you presented prove that it's a rare event. And yet half of the commercials I see on the matter are about making your child a "COVID hero" by getting vaccinated. By foolishly concentrating all of these resources, it opens up the flood gates for all those that think the CDC guidance is baloney. And it's a shame, because COVID continues to be a real problem for unvaccinated, elderly people who are distracted by illogical public health measures.

Official COVID Vaccine Thread Moderator wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Omicron changed the way we view -all- immunity. It was sufficiently immune evasive to cause mild infections in people with vaccines and prior infection. There was always a risk that a new variant would escape immunity to some level, but as predicted from antibody breadth and T-cell recognition studies, protection against severe disease remained strong.

Considering that the vaccine is still a net positive (easily) for younger people and we have repeatedly seen shortages of medical care during virus surges, it makes 100% sense to convince everyone to get the vaccine (in populations for which it is approved). Every single severe case prevented is good. The only argument against this would be if there was more risk than reward but the data conclusively refutes that.

Let's pretend you're a police chief for a major city and you have two situations: a mass murderer who's on the loose, and an individual who continually commits petty crimes. Do you deploy equal resources for both? In your press conferences, do you ask the public to be on the look out for both, equally?

This is the situation we have on our hands. There's no crisis with younger people (and especially not with children) regarding COVID at the population level. The studies you presented prove that it's a rare event. And yet half of the commercials I see on the matter are about making your child a "COVID hero" by getting vaccinated. By foolishly concentrating all of these resources, it opens up the flood gates for all those that think the CDC guidance is baloney. And it's a shame, because COVID continues to be a real problem for unvaccinated, elderly people who are distracted by illogical public health measures.

Harambe wrote:

Official COVID Vaccine Thread Moderator wrote:

Let's pretend you're a police chief for a major city and you have two situations: a mass murderer who's on the loose, and an individual who continually commits petty crimes. Do you deploy equal resources for both? In your press conferences, do you ask the public to be on the look out for both, equally?

This is the situation we have on our hands. There's no crisis with younger people (and especially not with children) regarding COVID at the population level. The studies you presented prove that it's a rare event. And yet half of the commercials I see on the matter are about making your child a "COVID hero" by getting vaccinated. By foolishly concentrating all of these resources, it opens up the flood gates for all those that think the CDC guidance is baloney. And it's a shame, because COVID continues to be a real problem for unvaccinated, elderly people who are distracted by illogical public health measures.

COVID presents an outsize risk to unvaccinated children relative to basically any other disease because we have controlled all the others with vaccination. Encouraging parents to vaccinate their children against diseases that poss a rare but present risk to children is absolutely in line with standard CDC messaging. That's what they've done for decades.

Case in point: varicella. Killed less than a 100 people a year in the US before vaccines. We still strongly encourage the vaccine.

Harambe wrote:

Official COVID Vaccine Thread Moderator wrote:

Let's pretend you're a police chief for a major city and you have two situations: a mass murderer who's on the loose, and an individual who continually commits petty crimes. Do you deploy equal resources for both? In your press conferences, do you ask the public to be on the look out for both, equally?

This is the situation we have on our hands. There's no crisis with younger people (and especially not with children) regarding COVID at the population level. The studies you presented prove that it's a rare event. And yet half of the commercials I see on the matter are about making your child a "COVID hero" by getting vaccinated. By foolishly concentrating all of these resources, it opens up the flood gates for all those that think the CDC guidance is baloney. And it's a shame, because COVID continues to be a real problem for unvaccinated, elderly people who are distracted by illogical public health measures.

COVID presents an outsize risk to unvaccinated children relative to basically any other disease because we have controlled all the others with vaccination. Encouraging parents to vaccinate their children against diseases that poss a rare but present risk to children is absolutely in line with standard CDC messaging. That's what they've done for decades.

Case in point: varicella. Killed less than a 100 people a year in the US before vaccines. We still strongly encourage the vaccine.