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Someone else has already used Pp wrote:
Colin Bomba Harris wrote:
Total gibberish.
You asked a stupidly put together rhetorical question, I gave you the simple answer (you can find it above), and you continued to pretend there is some creepy conspiracy regarding the timing of the satellite photos.
That got pointed out to you, and you came back with the gibberish above. And believe me, in context, it is gibberish.
You are self righteously inventing and projecting. Your starting point is that your "explanations" are correct and not to be questioned, let alone disputed. You have to understand that while your "explanations" are not impossible, there are other possibile explanations. They can be less, equally, or more likely to be true. Those explanations could confirm what is proposed and promoted by anti Russian coalition, or could be favourable for Russian side.
Better explanation you could use would be: due poor resolution they could not be sure those were bodies on images from satelite.
But then there are many questions to be answered. Who, when, why, ....
Baminessic problem, IMO, is that 3 weeks are pretty long period for scenery to remain unchanged. Were some troops passing by, vehicles, animals ... There is difference in treatment of those bodies compared to some other bodies. Buried, not buried, exhumated?They are dead, supposedly killed, even executed, but vast majority around them was not. Why them? Are they locals? Where are their families, relatives? Why there in that street? Were they going somewhere, just hanging around ...? Who did it? Russian army, paramilitary, some looting gang, stayed rocket ...?
It is not so easy. Russians are barbarian is not satisfactory answer. Each individual crime has perpetrator.
Why don't you just tell everyone you are "The Adult in the Room," or just start posting again under your registered name.
Word is that people were leaving the shelters looking for food and were killed. It was too dangerous to go our amongst the Russian soldiers and try to bury them. After, they were afraid they were rigged with mines.
Why were some tortured, bound and executed? Why were women raped in front of their children? Maybe you can tell us why? You seem to be better connected with how the Russian soldiers are thinking than the rest of us here.
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I don't need a jury to tell me Adolf Putin is guilty of war crimes.
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russian soldiers are evil wrote:
Ernest wrote:
The article does not mention torture and rape of children.
The article DOES mention: "Men, women and children were seen handcuffed in the head and chest by bullets – their bodies strewn across the streets and thrown into the sewers." And, "Women and children have been found, [by Ukrainian soldiers] raped and then murdered."
You are defending the indefensible.
I am corrected. The article does mention these things. I saw the same picture and preamble in other articles on Bucha deaths and assumed it was one I'd read earlier.
The cited author here seems to have added these new, unsubstantiated claims, which I have not seen elsewhere or in reliable MSM.
However, I am not "defending the indefensible". From the same post:
"...it seems certain some Russian Soldiers are guilty of war crimes and extra-judicial executions.
Anyone conducting or ordering torture or execution should be tracked down and held accountable."
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OH...TX wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Having been called out for outrageous libel, the response is to double down and slather a second coat.
Then additionally attack the person noting lack of civility and AUP violation as someone who thinks it is honorable to defend war criminals and scumbags.
Look at you, getting all lawyerly in the defense of Putin and friends. AUP violations, huh?
Truth is an absolute defense to libel claims, because one of the elements that must be proven in a defamation suit is falsity of the statement. If a statement is true, it cannot be false, and therefore, there is no prima facie case of defamation.Asking for civil communication, as is required by the site, is not on par with being "lawyerly in the defense of Putin and friends".
Insulting each other does not advance discussion or make points.
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TRUMP LOST LOL wrote:
PUTIN LOST LOL
Yes Putin and Trump both lost big time. But both are in denial about it and have hurt many.
They do make a compatible team.
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russian soldiers are evil wrote:
Don't get bothered by Ernest. He only believes Russian State controlled media. He is not able to think for himself.
There is no basis for stating I only believe Russian State controlled media and am not able to think for myself.
Just more insult because I have not leapt on the dog-pile of hypocritical haters.
In an earlier post you note "Ernest is Intelligent", then stated I was a Russian Troll, but then acknowledged I was not.
Offer opinions, by all means, but back them up with reliable fact.
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Yes, I thought you were intelligent Ernest, but then you regurgitated the same whataboutism argument for two weeks. The same one as Adult and Carmine. You guys are clowns.
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Are you not the guy wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Speculation, but not wild speculation.
There are reports of killings and expulsions of those deemed to have offered aid to Russian soldiers.
Revenge Killings in war is a well-documented phenomenon.
As to evidence, there seems to be nothing specific for any of the killings in Bucha - that I've seen or has been presented here. No photos, video, or eye witness accounts. Just dead bodies and finger pointing.
Listen to Ernest. The bodies just appeared. The Russian soldiers could not have killed anyone. This is Ukrainian citizens blowing up and shooting their own family members to get sympathy.
I could understand ridiculing that position. If it had been presented.
One needs to separate facts from propaganda.
It's ludicrous to think Russians are twisting facts and not think the Ukraine side is, also.
The Ukraine side shelled Bucha for a month with 3700 civilians there. If Russian bombs kill people, Ukraine bombs must, too.
Some dead are clearly combatants.
Though any that were tortured or executed are victims of war crimes.
Both sides are doing this, irrefutable as the Ukraine side has been brazen enough to film it and release it.
Anyone guilty of torture and execution needs to be brought to justice, whoever they are.
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otter wrote:
Yes, I thought you were intelligent Ernest, but then you regurgitated the same whataboutism argument for two weeks. The same one as Adult and Carmine. You guys are clowns.
Saying things doesn't make them true. Like propaganda.
It is hypocritical to inflate Russian war crimes while ignoring, denying, or excusing Ukraine war crimes.
For example, in this recent video, Ukraine soldiers execute Russian prisoners, some with hands bound.
One still wheezing and bleeding out is repeatedly shot while laying helpless.
One perpetrator is from the Georgian Brigade and others are UDF regulars or Azov Battalion members.
After, bodies are looted and Ukraine soldiers pose for jubilant pictures.
Both sides are guilty of atrocity and need to be held accountable. That's not "whataboutism".
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You need to be able to recognize propaganda for what it is.
It's not that hard
Agreed. Just look for the carmine9 byline and you have propaganda.
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Ernest wrote:
otter wrote:
Yes, I thought you were intelligent Ernest, but then you regurgitated the same whataboutism argument for two weeks. The same one as Adult and Carmine. You guys are clowns.
Saying things doesn't make them true. Like propaganda.
It is hypocritical to inflate Russian war crimes while ignoring, denying, or excusing Ukraine war crimes.
For example, in this recent video, Ukraine soldiers execute Russian prisoners, some with hands bound.
One still wheezing and bleeding out is repeatedly shot while laying helpless.
One perpetrator is from the Georgian Brigade and others are UDF regulars or Azov Battalion members.
After, bodies are looted and Ukraine soldiers pose for jubilant pictures.
Both sides are guilty of atrocity and need to be held accountable. That's not "whataboutism".
This is where you and I really disagree.
This is not a nuetral battlefield. If an invading army invaded my neighborhood and were killing women and children, I would not have the strength to spare them.
Maybe you would be ok with them killing your kids? Wife? Mother? Not me. I guess that is how we are different.
I have more empathy towards rats than these disgusting murderers.
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Ernest wrote:
Always the rifleman, infantry squad leader or platoon sergeant facing legal challenges during military conflict. If Russian generals want to save their infantryman the headache and stress of post-conflict trial, it is better for Russian generals to take out entire map grid with artillery, battleship guns or bombs. You guys are sure bogged down by the brutality of military conflicts. With U.S. arming Ukraine and U.S. acting as Forward Observer, this seems like it will go on for awhile. U.S. & N.A.T.O. are doing just enough to make billions for weapon manufactures, but U.S. & N.A.T.O. cannot do enough to defeat Russia. You guys or gals need to toughen up. If dead civilians are going to make you guys and gals whine and cry 24/7 on this site, how are you going to handle months more of this?
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Cold War warrior2 wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Always the rifleman, infantry squad leader or platoon sergeant facing legal challenges during military conflict. If Russian generals want to save their infantryman the headache and stress of post-conflict trial, it is better for Russian generals to take out entire map grid with artillery, battleship guns or bombs. You guys are sure bogged down by the brutality of military conflicts. With U.S. arming Ukraine and U.S. acting as Forward Observer, this seems like it will go on for awhile. U.S. & N.A.T.O. are doing just enough to make billions for weapon manufactures, but U.S. & N.A.T.O. cannot do enough to defeat Russia. You guys or gals need to toughen up. If dead civilians are going to make you guys and gals whine and cry 24/7 on this site, how are you going to handle months more of this?
If you are not willing to speak up because you think beiung callous is the way to be, what good are you? We should all be outraged for as long as it lasts...but it goes on becuase of the group of people you represent.
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otter wrote:
This is where you and I really disagree.
This is not a nuetral battlefield. If an invading army invaded my neighborhood and were killing women and children, I would not have the strength to spare them.
Maybe you would be ok with them killing your kids? Wife? Mother? Not me. I guess that is how we are different.
I have more empathy towards rats than these disgusting murderers.
The difference seems to be I am against all war crimes.
You and many seem to only be against some war crimes.
Posters here have called for killing 146 million Russians. All of them.
Others suggest political assassination.
Or executing all Russian prisoners.
You don’t have a problem with that? That’s a problem.
Guess we just toss the Geneva and Hague Conventions out the window, along with basic humanity, and get on with ethnic extermination - because it’s for a good cause?
Why take issue with calls for rational, impartial examination to drill for truth? There doesn’t seem much interest in truth, or at least any which does not reinforcing bias.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him/her drink… or think.
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SeattleSilver wrote:
You need to be able to recognize propaganda for what it is.
It's not that hard
Agreed. Just look for the carmine9 byline and you have propaganda.
From Rand: "Contemporary Russian propaganda has at least two other distinctive features. It is also rapid, continuous, and repetitive, and it lacks commitment to consistency."
Does that sound like anyone we know?
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CNN? and the rest of left garbage news?
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otter wrote:
Someone else has already used Pp wrote:
You are self righteously inventing and projecting. Your starting point is that your "explanations" are correct and not to be questioned, let alone disputed. You have to understand that while your "explanations" are not impossible, there are other possibile explanations. They can be less, equally, or more likely to be true. Those explanations could confirm what is proposed and promoted by anti Russian coalition, or could be favourable for Russian side.
Better explanation you could use would be: due poor resolution they could not be sure those were bodies on images from satelite.
But then there are many questions to be answered. Who, when, why, ....
Baminessic problem, IMO, is that 3 weeks are pretty long period for scenery to remain unchanged. Were some troops passing by, vehicles, animals ... There is difference in treatment of those bodies compared to some other bodies. Buried, not buried, exhumated?They are dead, supposedly killed, even executed, but vast majority around them was not. Why them? Are they locals? Where are their families, relatives? Why there in that street? Were they going somewhere, just hanging around ...? Who did it? Russian army, paramilitary, some looting gang, stayed rocket ...?
It is not so easy. Russians are barbarian is not satisfactory answer. Each individual crime has perpetrator.
Why don't you just tell everyone you are "The Adult in the Room," or just start posting again under your registered name.
Word is that people were leaving the shelters looking for food and were killed. It was too dangerous to go our amongst the Russian soldiers and try to bury them. After, they were afraid they were rigged with mines.
Why were some tortured, bound and executed? Why were women raped in front of their children? Maybe you can tell us why? You seem to be better connected with how the Russian soldiers are thinking than the rest of us here.
Has it been five days yet?
Adult alone and angry in his room humiliated himself on LRC once again and now he’s cowardly hiding.
FIVE DAYS, TOPS 🤡😂👋🏼
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otter wrote:
Why don't you just tell everyone you are "The Adult in the Room," or just start posting again under your registered name.
Word is that people were leaving the shelters looking for food and were killed. It was too dangerous to go our amongst the Russian soldiers and try to bury them. After, they were afraid they were rigged with mines.
Why were some tortured, bound and executed? Why were women raped in front of their children? Maybe you can tell us why? You seem to be better connected with how the Russian soldiers are thinking than the rest of us here.
I do not want to lie about who I am. I am Pp, I started posting in this topic as Pp. I was changing btw phone, home PC and office PC forum prevented me from using same nickname. I settled posting only from phone.
Word about leaving shelter for food is not plausible, certainly is unconfirmed. It is not likely that only those 11 were hungry. There were thousands of people in Bucha during Russian occupation. Where are they now? We would see them all skinny and exhausted by now, or we'd see much more bodies in collective graves. Why did Russians bury those bodies found in bags and not these? There is more to it.
Maybe they were caught in crossfire?
Tortured, bound, executed ... You mean among these 11 we can see on picture from satelite? Who says that any of them was tortured? Some appear as to have hands bound, I could not see clearly on the picture. Maybe they were bound post mortem for easier transport?
I do not think there were any raped women and children in this image.
Obviously, you are completely wrong about how well I am familiar with thinking process of Russians and rest of you here. It is quite the opposite, actually. I keep wondering what Russians were thinking, how and why would they do what they are being accused of. I have absolutely no dilemmas about "the rest of you here".
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