This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
There are many reasons eligible people are not vaccinated or boosted. Surveys have indicated that some people are adamant in their refusal of the coronavirus vaccines, while others are open to getting a shot but have been putting it off or want to wait and see before making a decision for themselves or for their children. The first group, surveys have shown, tends to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and Republican. The second group tends to be a more diverse and urban group, including many younger people, Black and Latino residents, and Democrats.
There are many reasons eligible people are not vaccinated or boosted. Surveys have indicated that some people are adamant in their refusal of the coronavirus vaccines, while others are open to getting a shot but have been putting it off or want to wait and see before making a decision for themselves or for their children. The first group, surveys have shown, tends to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and Republican. The second group tends to be a more diverse and urban group, including many younger people, Black and Latino residents, and Democrats.
What about the political agnostics and scientists who’ve already had Delta and Omicron and know the immunity conferred to be more robust & durable than the actual “vaccines” that are not traditional attenuated viral vaccines and need more time to be vetted in terms of safety and efficacy (lipid nanoparticles can do a lot of downstream damage)? Where does that group fit?
By the way, the disproportionately dying have been the obese and more elderly w significant comorbidities. A lot of that has been concentrated in the higher melanin skin types. We killed plenty of them with Remdesivir in the early days.
I'd consider getting a litany of covid booster shots more dangerous than a sex, drugs, rock and roll type lifestyle.
They haven’t found fentanyl in the Covid shots yet. Have you ever snorted powder? Now would not be the best time to experiment with face drugs as a huge FYI to the young audience here.
There are many reasons eligible people are not vaccinated or boosted. Surveys have indicated that some people are adamant in their refusal of the coronavirus vaccines, while others are open to getting a shot but have been putting it off or want to wait and see before making a decision for themselves or for their children. The first group, surveys have shown, tends to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and Republican. The second group tends to be a more diverse and urban group, including many younger people, Black and Latino residents, and Democrats.
What about the political agnostics and scientists who’ve already had Delta and Omicron and know the immunity conferred to be more robust & durable than the actual “vaccines” that are not traditional attenuated viral vaccines and need more time to be vetted in terms of safety and efficacy (lipid nanoparticles can do a lot of downstream damage)? Where does that group fit?
By the way, the disproportionately dying have been the obese and more elderly w significant comorbidities. A lot of that has been concentrated in the higher melanin skin types. We killed plenty of them with Remdesivir in the early days.
Best immunity is vaccine and prior infection. Try to keep up.
There are many reasons eligible people are not vaccinated or boosted. Surveys have indicated that some people are adamant in their refusal of the coronavirus vaccines, while others are open to getting a shot but have been putting it off or want to wait and see before making a decision for themselves or for their children. The first group, surveys have shown, tends to be disproportionately white, rural, evangelical Christian and Republican. The second group tends to be a more diverse and urban group, including many younger people, Black and Latino residents, and Democrats.
What about the political agnostics and scientists who’ve already had Delta and Omicron and know the immunity conferred to be more robust & durable than the actual “vaccines” that are not traditional attenuated viral vaccines and need more time to be vetted in terms of safety and efficacy (lipid nanoparticles can do a lot of downstream damage)? Where does that group fit?
By the way, the disproportionately dying have been the obese and more elderly w significant comorbidities. A lot of that has been concentrated in the higher melanin skin types. We killed plenty of them with Remdesivir in the early days.
LMAO you’re still claiming attenuated/inactivated virus vaccines are superior despite those vaccines being implicated in the only suspected ADE problem from vaccination and the inactivated virus COVID vaccines all kinda suck: Covaxin, Sinopharm etc.
just pure wishful thinking from a top 5 COVID moron.
As a point of fact, the U.S. has had about 200,000 Covid attributed deaths during the omicron wave as compared to an estimated 61,000 for the worst flu season in the past decade.
The Omicron infection fatality RATE was 0.053% (University of Johannesburg, December, 2021) vs. an average 0.12% (CDC) for the typical seasonal flu.
Omicron is many fold for contagious than influenza. This is like saying the various Ebola outbreaks have been worse than the COVID pandemic.
What about the political agnostics and scientists who’ve already had Delta and Omicron and know the immunity conferred to be more robust & durable than the actual “vaccines” that are not traditional attenuated viral vaccines and need more time to be vetted in terms of safety and efficacy (lipid nanoparticles can do a lot of downstream damage)? Where does that group fit?
By the way, the disproportionately dying have been the obese and more elderly w significant comorbidities. A lot of that has been concentrated in the higher melanin skin types. We killed plenty of them with Remdesivir in the early days.
LMAO you’re still claiming attenuated/inactivated virus vaccines are superior despite those vaccines being implicated in the only suspected ADE problem from vaccination and the inactivated virus COVID vaccines all kinda suck: Covaxin, Sinopharm etc.
just pure wishful thinking from a top 5 COVID moron.
Here’s how you make it an inactivated virus vaccine:
you take the live, infectious virus
you soak it in carcinogens
you mix it with adjuvants (scary to antivaxxers!)
you inject it into a person
I guarantee you would be claiming such vaccines were a priori dangerous (they aren’t) if they were not crucial for your pseudoscience.
What about the political agnostics and scientists who’ve already had Delta and Omicron and know the immunity conferred to be more robust & durable than the actual “vaccines” that are not traditional attenuated viral vaccines and need more time to be vetted in terms of safety and efficacy (lipid nanoparticles can do a lot of downstream damage)? Where does that group fit?
By the way, the disproportionately dying have been the obese and more elderly w significant comorbidities. A lot of that has been concentrated in the higher melanin skin types. We killed plenty of them with Remdesivir in the early days.
Best immunity is vaccine and prior infection. Try to keep up.
SMH......The vaccine is the best option. You don't know if you are asymptomatic until you actually catch the virus, not before. Why take that change. Get vaccinated. As we all know it has been the unvaccinated that have died. Over 6 million worldwide.
I already gave my thoughts on first question, no need to repeat.
For the second part, yes, the risk have dropped. That is why it is less deadly. Dropped is not the same as disappeared. Less deadly is not the same as not deadly.
1. What is that answer? I never saw it.
2. Not just less dangerous. Omicron is now far less dangerous than the flu.
It was in post #1805 and #1806. In #1805 I wrongly typed one % , so I ammended it in #1806.
In post #1809 you have replied to #1805, with full quote. Looks like you did not read the whole of it?
Idiot- none of what you said is relevant. Your extreme example was stupid and pointless. It is common knowledge that the approximate “fully” vaxxed rate is somewhere around 65-70% in most states. That doesn’t need to be part of the discussion.
It doesn’t change the fact that there are an equal number of people being hospitalized and in the ICU for (“with”?) Covid. That’s a FACT, based purely on DATA. Simple counting.
I didn’t say “the hospitalization likelihood is exactly the same between the vaxxed and unvaxxed.” I said “the vaccine is clearly less effective than it was originally advertised, especially during the omicron phase.” That is a FACT. You were told if you got vaccinated you wouldn’t get Covid and you wouldn’t spread Covid. That was not true. It’s undeniable now.
Every Liberal I show that data to is shocked as hell at how many vaxxed and boosted folks are in the hospital. Why? Because their news outlets refuse to report the data.
No, you are falling for a base-rate fallacy and Simpson's paradox.
We've already been through this a year ago when people were saying the exact same thing as you with nationwide data from Israel and the UK. They were trumpeting raw numbers of hospitalizations as proof that the vaccine is not 90+% effective.
Well, it turns out that when you correct for base-rate and Simpson's effects in Israel/UK, it was still 90+% effective.
Nothing about the math has changed. You are just being misled by statistical paradoxes that have been discussed countless times on these boards. I have faith that you can read up on your errors and understand why your presentation of statistics is 1) wrong and 2) in bad faith.
I encourage you to not just wallow in innumeracy and ignorance and actually try to learn as opposed to just grabbing whatever numbers support your "vax bad" priors and then aggressively defending your terrible math.
A surge involving the rapidly-transmitting Delta variant in heavily vaccinated countries has led to much hand-wringing that the vaccines are not effective against Delta, or vaccine effectivenss wanes after 4-6 months. This ha...
I have seen a lot of people obsessing with Table 5 of the August report put out the UK Public Health England focusing on the Delta variant In Table 5 on page 17 of this report, you can see that: There were 402 Covid deaths am...
I suspect Delta worked even better as a vaccine, but you had to get through it. Of course we had tools to potentiate that process. Plus now Omicron, yes. Hundreds of research papers showing that natural immunity is just as good as, if not better than, jab-induced immunity.
We crossed the shedding masks rubicon a long time ago, but some people are still petrified (even w just a useless cloth mask) and can’t mentally make the shift because of the barrage of BS from our public health officials and the media. There are those who probably still need to distance, wear KN95 masks, and receive boosters to infinity, but they are outliers and would need to be worried about a lot of things like influenza, their drinking water, etc.
Finally, we have committed so many resources to trying to wholly vaccinate HIV-endemic areas (per WHO pressure) that we have neglected resources to actually help said HIV patients… you know, those patients who have the greatest likelihood of incubating “variants?”
Unfortunately Omicron infection alone does not stimulate a suitably broad immune memory to protect against future strains. Vaccination before/after stimulates additional breadth that is necessary for Omicron infection to actually give good "natural immunity" across strains.
Natural immunity is weak against variants without successive immune challenges. That means vaccination.
Therefore, unvaccinated persons who are infected with the omicron BA.1 variant only (without previous SARS-CoV-2 infection) might not be sufficiently protected against infection with a SARS-CoV-2 variant other than omicron BA.1; for full protection, vaccination is warranted.
As a point of fact, the U.S. has had about 200,000 Covid attributed deaths during the omicron wave as compared to an estimated 61,000 for the worst flu season in the past decade.
The Omicron infection fatality RATE was 0.053% (University of Johannesburg, December, 2021) vs. an average 0.12% (CDC) for the typical seasonal flu.
Something that is less fatal but more transmissible can be more dangerous. It's really not complicated to anyone not a boomer.