Official Covid Vaccine thread

Very few people being hospitalized due to Covid (Omicron) is the key take away.

People in the hospital for other reasons testing positive is a larger group

LOL "freedom at last". Anti vax folks are flag waving Q dolts for the most part. Obviously also some older folks that had kids with autism. Same people running around screaming "America is greatest nation". Except, you know, in healthcare, vacation time, work life balance, incarceration rates, education, childhood poverty.

Way to focus on the big picture Q folks.

Sore throat is just a symptom of the illness. Like, someone dies from lung cancer, not from coughing. This virus messes with ones blood, causes all sorts of troubles. Older you are, with more previous illness, more likely you will die from it

In 2020 you had lockdowns, people taking more care .... In 2021 we had Delta. More deadly than Alfa. Delta was supposedly harder to spread, but it was nulled out by less social distancing. Vaccinated tok vaccine for granted.

Nevertheless, overall, much more unvaccinated caught Delta and died, than vaccinated.

If jabs were not working, it would be 1:1 ratio, but it is not.

It does appear, though, as if death ratio is starting to level in recent months. It was 2:1 end of Jan, but only 3:2 one month later. I am looking at stats someone posted earlier in this thread

Oddly enough, number of unvax cases is +18K, hospitalized +5k, deaths +9.3K. More than 25% cases end in hospital, but only less than 7% of hosp. die (<2% of cases).

At the same time, for vaxed, +110K cases, +2k hosp, + 1.5K deaths. Only less than 2% end in hospital, but 75% of hosp. died (<2%, similar to unvaxed).

Looks like it could be explained by demographic structure, i.e. the age and comorbidyties.

Edit: changed 9.3 into 0.3

I don't know where one would find that specific data you're asking for.

If, however, one looks at the readily available death statistics, one can see heart related deaths do seem to be somewhat elevated since the beginning of the pandemic. It is apparent, without applying any fancy regression statistics, that the notable increases in heart related deaths are well correlated with spikes in Covid. One might further notice that the winter of 2017-18, a notably bad influenza season, also had elevated deaths attributed to "diseases of the heart".

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From this one cannot reasonably conclude that there is no heart disease risk from the Covid vaccines, in fact, it is acknowledged that there does seem to be some risk. What one can reasonably conclude from this is that whatever the magnitude of vaccine risk there might be, it appears to be much lower than the same risk from a Covid infection.

Finally, while I'm all for data transparency from the CDC and other scientific organizations, in my experience more data at this point is likely to do little to sway anyone from their positions. The biggest problem is not a deficit information deficit, rather it's social identity coloring one's view of the available information.

Omicron messes with one's blood?

Never heard that one.

If the Jab works at all, why did we have as many Covid deaths in 2021 as 2020?

Luckily Omicron came along and has proved to be a vaccine that works

I suspect Delta worked even better as a vaccine, but you had to get through it. Of course we had tools to potentiate that process. Plus now Omicron, yes. Hundreds of research papers showing that natural immunity is just as good as, if not better than, jab-induced immunity.

We crossed the shedding masks rubicon a long time ago, but some people are still petrified (even w just a useless cloth mask) and can’t mentally make the shift because of the barrage of BS from our public health officials and the media. There are those who probably still need to distance, wear KN95 masks, and receive boosters to infinity, but they are outliers and would need to be worried about a lot of things like influenza, their drinking water, etc.

Finally, we have committed so many resources to trying to wholly vaccinate HIV-endemic areas (per WHO pressure) that we have neglected resources to actually help said HIV patients… you know, those patients who have the greatest likelihood of incubating “variants?”

Natural immunity is always better than that provided by a man made vaccine.

Maybe you were not paying attention?

The virus, Covid sars 2 does mess with your blood, regardless of variant. Yes, Omicron is less deadly, but still, vulnerable enough will die. DDimer gets screwed, blood clotted .... People die in consequence.

If the Jab works at all, why did we have as many Covid deaths in 2021 as 2020?

Special Reports > Exclusives Does Omicron Pose as Much of a Blood Clot Threat? — More data are needed, but thromboembolic risk appears to have dropped. by Amanda D'Ambrosio,

Going to get my booster today. RIP

The vaccinated are the ones dying. You can't get this data from the US, but the UK shows it, and we have paralleled everything else that happens there.

Stay away from more shots, folks.

I already gave my thoughts on first question, no need to repeat.

For the second part, yes, the risk have dropped. That is why it is less deadly. Dropped is not the same as disappeared. Less deadly is not the same as not deadly.

Exactly right. Even King Fauci said so back in 2004 when discussing "natural immunity" vs the flu shot:

Of course, he had to change his tune with Covid as part of pharma cartel's agenda in vaccinated every man, women & child in this country with their gene-therapy concoction.

1. What is that answer? I never saw it.

2. Not just less dangerous. Omicron is now far less dangerous than the flu.

As a point of fact, the U.S. has had about 200,000 Covid attributed deaths during the omicron wave as compared to an estimated 61,000 for the worst flu season in the past decade.

The Omicron infection fatality RATE was 0.053% (University of Johannesburg, December, 2021) vs. an average 0.12% (CDC) for the typical seasonal flu.