Sifan Hassan = GOAT! 3:51.95 FROM THE FRONT!!

ivansolero wrote:

Agreed! She’s doping! She’s a cheater! From the front and through the heat/humidity!

They’ll call you racist! They’ll call you sore loser! If you love the sport, what you saw was completely ridiculous. Track & Field need to clean house! Just like in UCI Cycling!

Step your game up and then you wouldn't feel so insecure about a woman running fast...

walk talk quack duck wrote:

It it looks too good to be true, it is.

Age 21: 3:57

Age 22: 3:56

Age 23: 3:57

Age 24: 3.56

Age 25: 3:57

Age 26: 3.51.

She found the same fountain as Mo!!!!

This looks a lot like someone who is extremely fast but whose training stagnated for years. 26 is absolutely not too old to improve, especially if they move to a better coach. Say what you will about Salazar being a bad person, it doesn't mean he's not a good coach.

Did some math. Excluded race walking because it's not a real sport (also walking record holders seem to be older so it further benefits my point). Road races included in both categories

Women. Larger number is months, smaller is years.

Average and median age of world record holders. (Rounded to 3 sig figs)

Women All Events

avg 322, 26.8

med 321, 26.8

Women Running

avg 324, 27.0

med 325, 27.0

Men All Events

avg 314, 26.2

med 310, 25.8

Men Running

avg 308.8 25.7

med 298.0 24.8

VroomVroom wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Athletics is probably the only sport I'm aware of where an athlete who was transformed from a good runner into a superhuman GOAT in her mid-twenties, by a coach who was banned for doping offences just this week, could still be celebrated when she produces another superhuman performance.

Not true at all. All sports love winners and amazing super human performances. Time to get with the times. Bladerunner is right.

Since the Romans, the plebs have enjoyed their circuses. And so it still goes. The times havent changed as much as you think.

She was training only once a day in NL, ran 3:56.05 off of that, and needed some time to adapt to a normal training regimen.

Her former coach said: "many people think where there is smoke, there is fire. I think this is not fair in this case. Sifan already had enough talent to win global titles in 2015 and 2016, but tactical mistakes and injuries prevented this to happen"

Next stop will be the half marathon in Valencia. What will be possible for her on this distance, running on pure anger?

Yg11110 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I love this. We already have 8 pages of doping accusations against Hassan and about 40 against Alberto.

...and 0 for "Koko".

Letsrun.com

You haven't been reading the threads. NOP athletes have received an honourable mention. Klojo amongst them. But she hasn't quite somersaulted over Everest, as Hassan has.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

ivansolero wrote:

Agreed! She’s doping! She’s a cheater! From the front and through the heat/humidity!

They’ll call you racist! They’ll call you sore loser! If you love the sport, what you saw was completely ridiculous. Track & Field need to clean house! Just like in UCI Cycling!

Step your game up and then you wouldn't feel so insecure about a woman running fast...

In case it's something you haven't picked up, it's other women she has been annihilating.

Sifan is so nice. Right after the goat performance, houlihan congratulates her, and rather than just shaking her hand, sifan asks her if she medalled, and when shelby says she finished 4th you see sifan going "aah too bad I'm sorry". Have you ever seen a champion like this caring about how others (non teammates) did rather than just accepting their congratulations or saying "good race".

Sifan talked to all press, literally everyone that had questions had their answer.

I remember when she went to Salazar. That wasn't really her choice, it was Jos Hermens idea. And when she was asked about Salazar's reputation she focused on how terrible her coaching was before then, and this was the alternative.

There was an interview with her about her estranged mother and if she'd be proud. Sifan's said her mother would say "what are you doing Sifan, why are you running, being so extravagant, running in those skimpy clothes, why aren't you being a good muslim?". Sifan said she wouldn't be able to answer, but she loved running.

Sifan Hassan is the GOAT. The most talented runner of all time.

She's nice? Well that settles it then.

Armstronglivs wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Step your game up and then you wouldn't feel so insecure about a woman running fast...

In case it's something you haven't picked up, it's other women she has been annihilating.

But it's mostly men complaining about her performance, at least on here....

Love it! The best you have is feminist identity politics. When in truth, it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, cheating is cheating!

ivansolero wrote:

Love it! The best you have is feminist identity politics. When in truth, it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, cheating is cheating!

Reminds me of 2 little kids. One says "She's cheating" and her mom says "how is she cheating?" and the kid replies "I don't know how, she just is"!

joanve wrote:

Side note, unreal level of sportsmanship of Shelby Houlihan to shake Sifan's hand at the end of that farce. I would have just walked away. Shelby had a great day but she should have a medal.

It's normal to congratulate the winner after a race. That's nothing to be congratulated. You're just a poor sport.

commoncourtesy wrote:

joanve wrote:

Side note, unreal level of sportsmanship of Shelby Houlihan to shake Sifan's hand at the end of that farce. I would have just walked away. Shelby had a great day but she should have a medal.

It's normal to congratulate the winner after a race. That's nothing to be congratulated. You're just a poor sport.

Shelby had a lot to feel good about. She set a new American Record. I wonder if she would have shown the sportsmanship had she not accomplished something remarkable in her own right.

Reminded me of Rudisha.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Shelby ran 3:54 so we should feel pretty good about that.

Why? Isn't that a sign she's doping?!

ivansolero wrote:

Love it! The best you have is feminist identity politics. When in truth, it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, cheating is cheating!

This is only your heated imagination. No cheating in sight - as many smart people here explained at length. But the "Cheater! Cheater!" cry babies won' t listen because - despite having no arguments - they love their silly accusations too much. It makes them feel strong or something.

doublestandard wrote:

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Shelby ran 3:54 so we should feel pretty good about that.

Why? Isn't that a sign she's doping?!

Very good reply! All those national and personal records are whitewashed somehow by accusing Sifan Hasan of doping. This is all so unreasonable.

Some people just can't accept that there are some great athletes out there. I tend to think that the most harsh accusers have their own character flaws in mind when making those accusations. They can not imagin themselves winning anything without cheating.

ivansolero wrote:

Agreed! She’s doping! She’s a cheater! From the front and through the heat/humidity!

They’ll call you racist! They’ll call you sore loser! If you love the sport, what you saw was completely ridiculous. Track & Field need to clean house! Just like in UCI Cycling!

The humidity was actually not high at all...

I can do both you and the Lance Armstrong guy a favor, stop watching the sport if your reaction to a race like that is to gnash your teeth about doping. I doubt she is doping but like you have no inside information, so my guess like yours isn't worth much...

I can't pull off the aerials and acrobatics of Simone Biles...therefore...Simone must be doping.