How do the group runs compare in size
Shoes n Brews in Longmont vs BRC vs RunnersRoost vs inMotion? Flatirons Running is history right?
Shoes n Brews (sw Longmont) and RunnersRoost (south boulder)
How do the group runs compare in size
Shoes n Brews in Longmont vs BRC vs RunnersRoost vs inMotion? Flatirons Running is history right?
Shoes n Brews (sw Longmont) and RunnersRoost (south boulder)
There aren't any great 5K, 10K runners there at the moment, either.
It goes back to the point mentioned earlier in the thread, the point where the local housing market in Bouler blew up. Those who were "in" before that, in the '80s, were set and those who weren't wound up pushed down and out. Hey, some can rationalize having housemates at age 30, that works for them. They're still hemorrhaging money to some landlord's pockets, even if it's out of a trust fund and into Drew Hunter's bank account, without real promise of increased income anytime soon. If they chose a less expensive town like Colorado Springs or Ft. Collins then they couldn't be part of the Boulder scene and the dream of being touched by the Boulder "magic."
You're right about the weather, too. Except for ski resort towns, year round weather in the mountain west is mostly good for being outdoors. Beats the midwest, south, northeast on the whole. Milder winters than the MW and NE, milder summers than the south. CA might be better, though there are other lifestyle drawbacks there. Comparing it with the NW, it all depends on whether you prefer warmer temps and months of rain or some snow and lots of sun.
Sesamoiditis wrote:
There are not any great marathoners there at the moment. That could change if Droddy, Stinson, or Fischer figure out the marathon.
This is the perfect window into Boulder's elite scene today, beyond the Simpson, Coburn, and CU circle. Droddy's certainly a fine runner with enviable PRs but he's most notably known for his novelty act looks from the 2016 Olympic Trials. The hair. The stache. The backwards hat with shades. People who have no idea what his PRs are still post their Droddy halloween costumes all over Instagram. Stinson gets more LRC criticism than he's due, but again he's known more for his appearance and workout vids on Instagram than in being a star in the making. Fischer seems down to earth and progressing well, the next 12 months will be high pressure for him and the other two. No hate at all, hope they fulfill these great expectations.
States of priority wrote:
Colorado>Florida >>California
Omg you're absolutely right.
People, please move to Colorado, Florida, Oregon or Washington, but not to California.
Sesamoiditis wrote:
if you think the weather is bad in Boulder or Fort Collins it seems you are from the South or running at the wrong time of day.
Boulder is worse than the South?
This is nuts. Its looks like you Colorado folk hate each other even more than with the great North vs. South Jersey debate. I got transferred to my company's office in Monument and was pretty excited about moving until I found this thread.
How is south Denver btw? That's where I've been checking out apartments.
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Sesamoiditis wrote:
if you think the weather is bad in Boulder or Fort Collins it seems you are from the South or running at the wrong time of day.
Boulder is worse than the South?
There were a few posts on here of people saying Boulder was too cold. One, the OP, was from Texas, the other was from Florida. Some southerners don't like cold weather so wouldn't like a Boulder winter.
due to boulder getting popular/chic IMO it’s not the easiest place to move to for the upcomer, eg a shoe slinger or recent college grad with promising potential/OTQ goal looking for a training group. if cost is not an issue then it’s great
Colorado is right next to Nebraska. And Kansas. What's that tell you?
Honest question - I live at sea level and am considering moving to Boulder. Is it hard to adjust to running slower because of the altitude? Frustrating to do everything a little slower? Or is the altitude too low to make that much difference?
Elevation is significantly higher. You'll get used to it in 3-4 weeks. Doesn't bother me at all anymore (originally from DE).
Honestly I think the altitude training thing is a bit overrated. Boulder is a tad low....but you can easily drive up the canyon in the summer and run from Rollinsville or Mags or around Ned (and if you are a trail mountain runner) hit over 11,000' on the trails pretty fast. I have a pretty low Vo2max and I actually always suffer quite a bit when running marathon pace or faster (i.e. doing Tempo Runs or Interval workouts.....usual conversion is about 10sec/mile slower at 5300'.) This can be an issue with leg turnover sometimes, but I'm a slow ultra runner so it really doesn't matter that much. I was a bit jealous of the altitude of Flagstaff (7,000') for sleeping and training....mainly because they have access to lower elevations and warmer weather in the Phoenix area. Then again I was in Flagstaff last week and there was this terrible blizzard and it snowed like 2.5 feet in 2 days. And who said the beer in MI is better than CO?! Only decent breweries I found when living in MI were Bell's and Founder's. Denver metro area alone (and Boulder) has amazing beer (um, Avery!). Yeah, we get some super cold and snowy days in Boulder. There is a lot of wind and ice too. But I think winters here are way more mild than when I lived and trained in MI and NY. Boulder is for sure "overrated" in a lot of regards...but you can say that about any cool city. The fact that the market has dictated what is "high priced" shows that for many it is a desirable place to live. And no, I am far from a" trust fund pro athlete" (there are lots in Boulder for sure though). Rojo knows how much financial aid I got to go to Cornell ....where I was considered "high need" because my parents are certainly not rich (at least compared to the average student at that kind of private university). No, I moved to Boulder 6.5 years ago with a few thousand dollars in total life savings/assets and no sponsorship. Did the whole sharing a room in a house thing paying $600-800/month in rent (this was back in 2012)....moved around half a dozen times. It is a fairly high standard of living (i.e. more expensive than the vast majority of US cities)..but I think it is worth it. You have to like a city for more than just the running side of life.
equities in dallas wrote:
Honest question - I live at sea level and am considering moving to Boulder. Is it hard to adjust to running slower because of the altitude? Frustrating to do everything a little slower? Or is the altitude too low to make that much difference?
Florida stinks for running ( with the exception of you are training for a spring marathon that could get warm), but is pretty good for triathlon training.
S. Canaday wrote:
The fact that the market has dictated what is "high priced" shows that for many it is a desirable place to live. And no, I am far from a" trust fund pro athlete" (there are lots in Boulder for sure though).
You're leaving out how city policies have artificially restricted housing stock, especially on the affordable end of the spectrum.
S. Canaday wrote:
Honestly I think the altitude training thing is a bit overrated. Boulder is a tad low....but you can easily drive up the canyon in the summer and run from Rollinsville or Mags or around Ned (and if you are a trail mountain runner) hit over 11,000' on the trails pretty fast. I have a pretty low Vo2max and I actually always suffer quite a bit when running marathon pace or faster (i.e. doing Tempo Runs or Interval workouts.....usual conversion is about 10sec/mile slower at 5300'.) This can be an issue with leg turnover sometimes, but I'm a slow ultra runner so it really doesn't matter that much.
I was a bit jealous of the altitude of Flagstaff (7,000') for sleeping and training....mainly because they have access to lower elevations and warmer weather in the Phoenix area. Then again I was in Flagstaff last week and there was this terrible blizzard and it snowed like 2.5 feet in 2 days.
And who said the beer in MI is better than CO?! Only decent breweries I found when living in MI were Bell's and Founder's. Denver metro area alone (and Boulder) has amazing beer (um, Avery!).
Yeah, we get some super cold and snowy days in Boulder. There is a lot of wind and ice too. But I think winters here are way more mild than when I lived and trained in MI and NY. Boulder is for sure "overrated" in a lot of regards...but you can say that about any cool city.
The fact that the market has dictated what is "high priced" shows that for many it is a desirable place to live. And no, I am far from a" trust fund pro athlete" (there are lots in Boulder for sure though). Rojo knows how much financial aid I got to go to Cornell ....where I was considered "high need" because my parents are certainly not rich (at least compared to the average student at that kind of private university). No, I moved to Boulder 6.5 years ago with a few thousand dollars in total life savings/assets and no sponsorship. Did the whole sharing a room in a house thing paying $600-800/month in rent (this was back in 2012)....moved around half a dozen times. It is a fairly high standard of living (i.e. more expensive than the vast majority of US cities)..but I think it is worth it. You have to like a city for more than just the running side of life.
equities in dallas wrote:
Honest question - I live at sea level and am considering moving to Boulder. Is it hard to adjust to running slower because of the altitude? Frustrating to do everything a little slower? Or is the altitude too low to make that much difference?
Not sure what the guy who used to live in Michigan was talking about, but that is not even close to accurate, so much so that I got a serious laugh from it:):):). If you don't like it, cool, but his analysis was waaaay off.
As for the beer Sage, you missed Frankenmuth---among several others. But, it's one person's opinion over another, nothing more.
Be happy and move!
Creek Path Hero wrote:
You're leaving out how city policies have artificially restricted housing stock, especially on the affordable end of the spectrum.
problem is there will probably won’t be anything most would consider “affordable” unless it’s subsidized by the city and if so it is then part of the program where appreciation is capped at a certain percentage a year to keep it in the affordable program. also can’t rent it out (or at least you’re not supposed to). while the policy is well-intended, it may take certain structures out of the market rate housing supply thereby further limiting supply, so could be just a feel-good measure to benefit existing owners/landlords.
yesmildwinters wrote:
28/snowflake/hates the outdoors and altitude/seeking a gender neutral partner to whine about how hard my life is
The old timers should rightly call you a P
No way is Boulder cold. The shores of Maine in winter - now that is cold
S. Canaday wrote:
."...the boulder creek path which is sketchy as hell when its dark (which it usually is by about 4PM every day in the later months)...."
HA ha ha, I give you a 2/10. That Chic fil a part was golden.
dbsquirtNXC21 wrote:
I grew up in Florida and I decided to go to CU Coulder for my first semester of college. Maybe its because Im used to hot humid weather year round but Boulder was really underwhelming. One of the reasons I chose to go there, as one might expect of a LRCer, was because of the running scene. I transferred there in august and its real nice outside, did some nice trail runs and explored the area. By freaking late September the weather had become disgusting. Admittedly it'd be nice one day but the next it'd be cold as balls constantly sprinkling making everything wet, windy as hell, and the snow would just turn to slush on the ground. Honestly think it contributed to me having some sort of seasonal affective disorder because it was making me miserable all the time. In my honest opinion, the weather blows for a lot of the year.
As far as the running goes, everyone seems to forget Boulder is still a city. If you live anywhere close to the middle and don't wanna drive to get to your run, you are gonna be dodging cars and bikes and stopping every hundred yards for intersections. Its not some paradise where every street has groomed trails where runners have the right of way. If your like me and lived on campus the only thing close to me was the boulder creek path which is sketchy as hell when its dark (which it usually is by about 4PM every day in the later months). If you do have time to get to trails every day between 8am and 4pm when it isn't dark, good luck at finding a parking spot. After that, have fun not running on them on pretty much any winter month when they are covered in slosh mud and snow.
As far as the culture and college there goes, the "party scene" is completely underwhelming unless you are in a fraternity. I spent most of my weekend nights in my dorm room playing battlefield because I had tried so many times unsuccessfully to go out to with no luck. The culture there is pretty neat and it was cool to say I lived in Colorado, but to me never really matched the home feel of living in the south. They don't even have a chic fil a which seems almost criminal. Admittedly its probably the most gorgeous city in the US that I have yet to see, but living there truly underwhelms.
Why would anyone in Boulder want a ChicFilA? There are a few fast food drive through places in Boulder mostly in the student ghetto sections or directly on 28th street.
Imagine running in 95-99 % humidity from April till December. Florida is a distance runner's Hell. Yeah, the North might be freezing and miserable for three months out of the year, but Florida is extremely hot and oppressively humid for 8 months out of the year. What makes it worse is that the really hot and humid months are when the high school/college races are. It's not fun running a 5k race in 85 degrees and 99% humidity. I'd love to have consistent training in 30 - 70 degree weather and would love to be able to have a few races in that weather. Plus there are hardly any trails in Florida.