When you are young a couple of years off should be nothing. Inability to bounce right back shows a body older than its years. Which is exactly what we are speculating.
When you are young a couple of years off should be nothing. Inability to bounce right back shows a body older than its years. Which is exactly what we are speculating.
Years of not racing and years of not consistently doing workouts which simulate race conditions, Cain has diminished neuromusclar coordination. Her body and mind are not used to running hard and fast for sustained periods. [Doing 4x1000m repeats with long rest meant her brain & body were used to stopping every 1K.] Have you ever raced 5K XC on a course two weeks in a row? I've seen nearly every runner drop at least 45 seconds from week one to week two. Proof it's often mental, not a fancy VO2 number.
MULTI threads, well over 300 posts, bottom line, she got hurt, grew up and is no longer the runner she was, not complicated.
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Years of not racing and years of not consistently doing workouts which simulate race conditions, Cain has diminished neuromusclar coordination. Her body and mind are not used to running hard and fast for sustained periods. [Doing 4x1000m repeats with long rest meant her brain & body were used to stopping every 1K.] Have you ever raced 5K XC on a course two weeks in a row? I've seen nearly every runner drop at least 45 seconds from week one to week two. Proof it's often mental, not a fancy VO2 number.
A lot of overlap to why Derrick Rose sitting a year, long past full healing, ruined his career.
Which other races will she run in Europe, Monaco, Brussels...?
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Years of not racing and years of not consistently doing workouts which simulate race conditions, Cain has diminished neuromusclar coordination. Her body and mind are not used to running hard and fast for sustained periods. [Doing 4x1000m repeats with long rest meant her brain & body were used to stopping every 1K.] Have you ever raced 5K XC on a course two weeks in a row? I've seen nearly every runner drop at least 45 seconds from week one to week two. Proof it's often mental, not a fancy VO2 number.
Nah, that's the body providing better sustained cardiac output. after the first race provided he stimulus that was likely missing in training. The mental side is the brain realizing the body is now delivering and going with that.
You are making it up as you are typing! There is no way if you measure (VO2max) someone from five to seven days, one would have significantly different VO2 results to justify the differences in achievement. I ran in high school in the old Saint Paul Suburban Conference. First race of season for all ten schools in conference was first Wednesday after Labor Day. There after raced five more XC races on Tuesdays on same course, Battle Creek Park. Everyone improved 45 to 90 seconds, 5K from first Wednesday after Labor Day to six day later. No cardio change. It's all mind to body pain tolerance.
So, so wrong! wrote:
You are making it up as you are typing! There is no way if you measure (VO2max) someone from five to seven days, one would have significantly different VO2 results to justify the differences in achievement. I ran in high school in the old Saint Paul Suburban Conference. First race of season for all ten schools in conference was first Wednesday after Labor Day. There after raced five more XC races on Tuesdays on same course, Battle Creek Park. Everyone improved 45 to 90 seconds, 5K from first Wednesday after Labor Day to six day later. No cardio change. It's all mind to body pain tolerance.
Speaking of making things up as you type.....
The difference in those times is easily explained by a few point of VO2. Easily achievable through body changes.
While so many of us can make logical predictions on Mary's future, nobody knows with certainty what next week, month, year will bring. I sure hope her desire and her physiology mesh to bring positive results in the future. If they don't, well, good for her for any money she made from being a pro AND for pursuing academics. If they do, well, I'll always be happy to cheer for her.
I do know. She will never achieve her PRs again.
Marty Kane wrote:
I don't think she will get close to her PRs. She was very thin when she hit the national scene but she has matured. It's not a fat or thin thing, just physical maturation. We will probably be interested in one more race but the posts will die down after that. Most people won't remember her in 2 years.
I feel like a huge part of it has to be desire; I don't know her at all but if she doesn't have the motivation
and hunger of a world class athlete it just isn't happening... and even if there is still a flicker there it's just
an injury or string of bad workouts or setbacks before it blows out for good. Finishing in 9:15 would have
actually been a bright sign; this almost felt like someone just confirming they are done. Just conjecture and
wish her all the best; would love to be proven wrong.
I'm rooting for Mary. That was a very fast race for a rust buster for someone who's been away from competition for so long, though. I don't know if "next step down" type of races, though, have enough talent to challenge her.
Given her performance in Cork, this seems a bizarre statement. She dropped out of one race but you think the next step down won't be competitive enough? Either you're splitting hairs or you seem to think she dropped out for acute rather than chronic reasons--an illness or some unanticipated barrier rather than simple lack of fitness. Several people have suggested 9:15 would have been a good result, a confidence builder. So find a race where there are half a dozen ~9:10-9:30 women running. Of course, it's a little difficult to pick and choose like that! Isn't she entered in a meet in about ten days, another 3000m? Anyone know what that field is like?
Alan Webbs Triceps wrote:
I don't know if "next step down" type of races, though, have enough talent to challenge her.
Er... wrote:
Isn't she entered in a meet in about ten days, another 3000m? Anyone know what that field is like?
Savo Games in Lapinlahti, Finland on July 28th: She is still on the entry list.
Camille Buscomb NZL 8.45,97/8.45,97
Andrea Seccafien CAN 8.57,37/8.57,37
Melissa Duncan AUS 8.58,14/8.58,70
Mary Cain USA 8.58,48/-
Camilla Richardsson VasaIS 9.03,84/9.03,84
Victoria Gyurkes HUN 9.17,97/-
Natalie Tanner GER 9.53,77/-
Nathlie Blomqvist IKFalken 10.06,45/-
Jutta Moilanen JoensKa 10.22,88/10.22,88
Tori Tsolis USA PACE
http://www.motonetgp.fi/en/node/191Raddison wrote:
Er... wrote:
Isn't she entered in a meet in about ten days, another 3000m? Anyone know what that field is like?
Savo Games in Lapinlahti, Finland on July 28th: She is still on the entry list.
Camille Buscomb NZL 8.45,97/8.45,97
Andrea Seccafien CAN 8.57,37/8.57,37
Melissa Duncan AUS 8.58,14/8.58,70
Mary Cain USA 8.58,48/-
Camilla Richardsson VasaIS 9.03,84/9.03,84
Victoria Gyurkes HUN 9.17,97/-
Natalie Tanner GER 9.53,77/-
Nathlie Blomqvist IKFalken 10.06,45/-
Jutta Moilanen JoensKa 10.22,88/10.22,88
Tori Tsolis USA PACE
http://www.motonetgp.fi/en/node/191
WAR MARY "Raising" CAIN!
Mary has withdrawn from the race in Finland on the 28th.
Hard wrote:
Er... wrote:
Gheez that was a great race to watch. Great commentary, too. Both of them seemed to have a thorough knowledge of the runners, including Cain.
And smokin hot! Was that the hottest 3k ever? Those 3 New Balance girls, Genevieve, #17, Duncan. Yikes!
Lacaze is Nike now man, get with the program
no-er of things wrote:
Hard wrote:
And smokin hot! Was that the hottest 3k ever? Those 3 New Balance girls, Genevieve, #17, Duncan. Yikes!
Lacaze is Nike now man, get with the program
Reading comprehension is not your strength.
Go, Laura! wrote:
Mary has withdrawn from the race in Finland on the 28th.
source
my friends exgfs hairdresser told her wrote:
Go, Laura! wrote:
Mary has withdrawn from the race in Finland on the 28th.
source
Check the meet entry lists on the link just a few posts above. Updated July 25, 10pm. Cain no longer listed.