Anonymous Coach B is my hero (from Letsrun.com coaches interview about Boston marathon)

#cleansport wrote:

false equivalence wrote:

1) I'm aware of the rumors you are talking about before the 2008 trials, which is why I asked for support. And you weren't able to provide any. Just word of mouth. That never even became public. So no one felt strongly enough about it to ever say something? And Lagat is more of a sacred cow than Tyson Gay and others who were given doping suspensions?

2) I ABSOLUTELY am skeptical about performances from anyone associated with Salazar, including Ritz and Goucher when she was on the team. What allegations are around him? Well he tested testosterone cream to see how different quantities affect a test, coupled with Stiner finding needles and testosterone in Sal's possession, coupled with Rupp's apparent "need" for testosterone medication documented from an early age, plus Slaney's doping and association with Salazar, plus Armstrong being a good buddy, plus several former colleagues and athletes coming out with things they didn't feel was appropriate, plus pushing prescription meds on those who didn't have a prescription, plus exceeding the limits on IV dosing, etc. Do I think there are people out there doing a lot worse? For sure. But that doesn't mean that I think NOP is above board.

3) Lagat's double gold is his greatest accomplishment. You've shown intellectual laziness by repeating the lie that he failed a test. You clearly didn't read the report that I provided that cleared both samples of rhEPO.

And again, you've pointed out yourself why it is possible to support one and not the other - they are widely different cases with different circumstances. So you can't gripe about criticizing Rupp and not Lagat when you yourself believe them to be very different likelihoods of doping.

Sorry but you know nothing about this except the stuff you read on letsrun.! I'm not going to start listing friends and sources on here. if Rojo wants to get ahold of me himself I have no problem telling what I know. Nothing to hide it what I was told. Your rhetoric is so screwed it's crazy. Al Sal is not colleagues with Armstrong. They met on the Nike campus when Armstrong with doing a PR thing during his Radio Shack days. They shared a few emails, but far from the way you make it seem.

I'm against any cheating, but you're just outright bias against ODP with no reasons but your BBC BS. Nothing proven in that at all. No positive evidence from all channels spoken about.

casual obsever wrote:

For completeness here is Salazar's side wrote:

Rojo, your conclusions are based on flimsy evidence.

Here is Salazar's lengthy rebuttal

Your point?

Step by step:

- coach of testo-drug cheat Slaney [proven fact]

- "testosterone medication" for Rupp as teenager [claimed to have been testoboost, no evidence provided]

- tested testosterone on his sons [admitted fact]

- Rupp caught with elevated testo levels [came after that rebuttal]

- Farah, Rupp, Centro caught with ABP (off score) violations [came after that rebuttal]

- used a prohibited method for several of his athletes according to USADA [came after that rebuttal]

- instructed his athletes to lie to USADA -> no respect for USADA [came after that rebuttal]

- sent drugs in hollow books across borders -> no respect for the law [proven fact]

- DQ of G. G. against the rules -> no respect for USATF [proven fact]

casual obsever wrote:

For completeness here is Salazar's side wrote:

Rojo, your conclusions are based on flimsy evidence.

Here is Salazar's lengthy rebuttal

Your point?

Step by step:

- coach of testo-drug cheat Slaney [proven fact]

- "testosterone medication" for Rupp as teenager [claimed to have been testoboost, no evidence provided]

- tested testosterone on his sons [admitted fact]

- Rupp caught with elevated testo levels [came after that rebuttal]

- Farah, Rupp, Centro caught with ABP (off score) violations [came after that rebuttal]

- used a prohibited method for several of his athletes according to USADA [came after that rebuttal]

- instructed his athletes to lie to USADA -> no respect for USADA [came after that rebuttal]

- sent drugs in hollow books across borders -> no respect for the law [proven fact]

- DQ of G. G. against the rules -> no respect for USATF [proven fact]

Bullet_Proof wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Your point?

Step by step:

- coach of testo-drug cheat Slaney [proven fact]

- "testosterone medication" for Rupp as teenager [claimed to have been testoboost, no evidence provided]

- tested testosterone on his sons [admitted fact]

- Rupp caught with elevated testo levels [came after that rebuttal]

- Farah, Rupp, Centro caught with ABP (off score) violations [came after that rebuttal]

- used a prohibited method for several of his athletes according to USADA [came after that rebuttal]

- instructed his athletes to lie to USADA -> no respect for USADA [came after that rebuttal]

- sent drugs in hollow books across borders -> no respect for the law [proven fact]

- DQ of G. G. against the rules -> no respect for USATF [proven fact]

Bahahahaha. You give all of those smart soundung allegations and..? So what's your point?

Do you think USADA hasn't looked into that? You do realize it is their job to investigate things like that, right? The way you write it, it's as if Rupp is guilty and he should be banned immediately.

If those things you mentioned were true or could prove systematic cheating, then he would have already been booted a long time ago. These "facts" came out a long time ago. They have had enough time to come to a conclusion.

The time has come for all Rupp haters to admit the inevitable: he is a great runner.

false equivalence wrote:

#cleansport wrote:

Sorry but you know nothing about this except the stuff you read on letsrun.! I'm not going to start listing friends and sources on here. if Rojo wants to get ahold of me himself I have no problem telling what I know. Nothing to hide it what I was told. Your rhetoric is so screwed it's crazy. Al Sal is not colleagues with Armstrong. They met on the Nike campus when Armstrong with doing a PR thing during his Radio Shack days. They shared a few emails, but far from the way you make it seem.

I'm against any cheating, but you're just outright bias against ODP with no reasons but your BBC BS. Nothing proven in that at all. No positive evidence from all channels spoken about.

I know nothing? You've been proven you didn't know squat about the 2003 Lagat false positive. You've proven you've nothing but rumors around a 2008 positive, with no names attached. You've proven you know nothing about the claims against Salazar by repeatedly dismissing them as Goucher whining or BBC BS. I'm in the running scene too buddy - it's not just Letsrun for my sources, as I've shown in my post. You just have TALK.

Yes I am biased against Al based on several athletes coming forward, leaked reports, doping associations and the like. That's not just "BBC BS". Nowhere did I say that they've been proven of doing this or that - I said the combination of all of the smoke around them - a h*ll of a lot more than is around Lagat as shown from our exchange - makes me believe they haven't operated within the rules and so I find it hard to cheer for people who willfully associate with Salazar. If you want to bury your head in the sand, that's fine.