Two quick punches to the kidneys and the 200lb guy would fall like a sack of cement. No need to hit the face to get a knockout.
Two quick punches to the kidneys and the 200lb guy would fall like a sack of cement. No need to hit the face to get a knockout.
These stories are ludicrous. If Hamed couldn't even hurt Barrera, who did not have a steel chin even as a fatherweight, he wasn't capable of knocking out any decent heavyweight. Hamed didn't even want any part of the best featherweights of his day. Barrera was the only one he ever fought, and he lost in a one sided fight.
Lucas Tanner wrote:
These stories are ludicrous. If Hamed couldn't even hurt Barrera, who did not have a steel chin even as a fatherweight, he wasn't capable of knocking out any decent heavyweight. Hamed didn't even want any part of the best featherweights of his day. Barrera was the only one he ever fought, and he lost in a one sided fight.
Don't let it bother you so much. It hardly contributes to the proposition, anyway.
Hitman Hernia wrote:
Lucas Tanner wrote:
These stories are ludicrous. If Hamed couldn't even hurt Barrera, who did not have a steel chin even as a fatherweight, he wasn't capable of knocking out any decent heavyweight. Hamed didn't even want any part of the best featherweights of his day. Barrera was the only one he ever fought, and he lost in a one sided fight.
Don't let it bother you so much. It hardly contributes to the proposition, anyway.
True enough.
I much prefer Barrera to Hamed too. But by the time they met, Hamed was on borrowed time, unable to train on the heavy bag because of hand injuries. Similar story to Lloyd Honeyghan, as a matter of fact.
Lucas Tanner wrote:
These stories are ludicrous. If Hamed couldn't even hurt Barrera, who did not have a steel chin even as a fatherweight, he wasn't capable of knocking out any decent heavyweight. Hamed didn't even want any part of the best featherweights of his day. Barrera was the only one he ever fought, and he lost in a one sided fight.
On the contrary, Hamed was ludicrously arrogant and overconfident, thus latterly didn't train properly and came into the biggest fight of his life complacently and was flummoxed when he faced someone that wasn't scared of him. This doesn't negate the fact that his power and timing when he was at his best were phenomenal.
average left hook wrote:
Lucas Tanner wrote:
These stories are ludicrous. If Hamed couldn't even hurt Barrera, who did not have a steel chin even as a fatherweight, he wasn't capable of knocking out any decent heavyweight. Hamed didn't even want any part of the best featherweights of his day. Barrera was the only one he ever fought, and he lost in a one sided fight.
On the contrary, Hamed was ludicrously arrogant and overconfident, thus latterly didn't train properly and came into the biggest fight of his life complacently and was flummoxed when he faced someone that wasn't scared of him. This doesn't negate the fact that his power and timing when he was at his best were phenomenal.
But look at Hamed's body language before the fight starts. He looks scared of Barrera, and uncharacteristically has no confidence when the ref gives his instructions.
Hitman Hernia wrote:
The Jersey Kid wrote:
My BIL is a promoter on the side and has been around boxing his whole life. I asked him about this and he said it was just an exaggeration. I believe his exact words were. Sh!t never happened. Anybody who still believes it is a dumbnf. His words not mine.
My brother was on the sparring circuit for a number of years (in the UK) at that time, regularly sparring with Eubanks and a few others on a regular basis. What he told me as first-hand information, was that in Sheffield, Frank Warren walked in on Nasem and one of his heavyweights was on the canvas. He was livid and gave everyone an earful.
Sounds as though your brother got some bad intel.
The Boxer wrote:
Hitman Hernia wrote:
My brother was on the sparring circuit for a number of years (in the UK) at that time, regularly sparring with Eubanks and a few others on a regular basis. What he told me as first-hand information, was that in Sheffield, Frank Warren walked in on Nasem and one of his heavyweights was on the canvas. He was livid and gave everyone an earful.
Sounds as though your brother got some bad intel.
First hand information would imply that his brother saw this with his own eyes
Hitman Hernia wrote:
average left hook wrote:
On the contrary, Hamed was ludicrously arrogant and overconfident, thus latterly didn't train properly and came into the biggest fight of his life complacently and was flummoxed when he faced someone that wasn't scared of him. This doesn't negate the fact that his power and timing when he was at his best were phenomenal.
But look at Hamed's body language before the fight starts. He looks scared of Barrera, and uncharacteristically has no confidence when the ref gives his instructions.
I never saw any fear, but remember the growing panic on his face as he realised he didn't have the tactical or physical tools to break Barrera down. MAB also managed his energy much better; it was quite close for the first half of the fight and then Hamed looked tired and just got jabbed to death.
Historian wrote:
The Boxer wrote:
Sounds as though your brother got some bad intel.
First hand information would imply that his brother saw this with his own eyes
But the thing is...his brother didn’t see it.
Frank Warren is still alive and socially active, so you could ask him all about it. I wouldn't believe forum musings, either.
fledermaus wrote:
Take a big athletic NFL star and ask them to stop Lionel Messi in a game of soccer, or Jason Robinson on the rugby field, or Steph Curry on the court. Give Deontay Wilder a shot and see if he can throw it as far as Bryan Clay.
I'm 6'3, 160lb, you're wrong.
Lionel Messi in soccer is not equal to taking or delivering a punch on a bigger, stronger opponent. In soccer, there is an advantage in being smaller (ability to change directions quicker), if they just had to tackle him, they could do that just fine (147# vs 200# would not work out that well). Jason Robinson playing against NFL players would be like Jarryd Hayne playing for the 49ers, decent, but not really effective. Plus there is a big difference between 5'8" 180# (which is only slightly lighter than an NFL running back) and 5'4" 125#. If you took a 5'4" 125# rugby player against a 200# NFL safety, he would get destroyed. 5'4", 125# is only a little larger than my wife. Bryan Clay also weighs 180, Wilder use to box at 201, so there is not a huge weight difference there. With decent technique, Wilder could probably throw it as far as Clay as he would be releasing from a higher point, although he would probably need to improve leg strength. 5'4" 125# is tiny.
rib nerd wrote:
Two quick punches to the kidneys and the 200lb guy would fall like a sack of cement. No need to hit the face to get a knockout.
This is almost the truth. Anyone goes down with a good liver shot. The pros know how to defend against it, most don't. A pro boxed hits you in the liver and you can't even move. It doesn't matter what he weighs.
Well, hear you have two women...im a 6 foot tall guy and wouldn't want to go against either of these two.
See how fast a professional boxer can hit? And these are just the women... Skill in fighting matters a lot more than size, all else being equal.
Btw...It's WASTE NOT WAIST. The waist is the part of your body under your mid-section. :-)
rib nerd wrote:
Two quick punches to the kidneys and the 200lb guy would fall like a sack of cement. No need to hit the face to get a knockout.
This, an untrained fighter wouldn’t even see the punches coming before they landed.
This small guy is probably not even a professional boxer but looked what he did to a large guy ..
Here's maybe an equivalent question: who would win in a pickup basketball game: a young Muggsy Bogues at 5'3", 135 lbs or a 6'2", 220 lb NFL player? I think the answer is clear that the NFL player would have no chance. (And same answer for the fighting question. )
But there are plenty of plausible sounding but ultimately empty arguments in favor of the NFL player - - "with all that extra size and strength the NFL player can just back Muggsy down until he can shoot a layup", or "with the height advantage the NFL player will get every rebound and there's no way Muggsy can block him"
Do you think Mike Tyson could have beat almost any college basketball center or forward? If he couldnt, alot of them missed some big paydays