Road Racing and Training Thread, Week Ending 2/18/2018

Gordon - As someone who came of age in the 90s when Skechers was just making cheap dress shoes, I simply can’t bring myself to buy their running shoes, meb’s endorsement notwithstanding.

angryjohnny wrote:

Smoove wrote:

Agree with passive rest.

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+1 for passive rest and concise posts

I stand or walk slowly and look at my watch and curse about how fast 60 seconds goes by..

And Skechers performance are a quality shoe. And I think they make clown shoe sizes so you are in bidness AJ!

runrincerepeat wrote:

angryjohnny wrote:

+1 for passive rest and concise posts

I stand or walk slowly and look at my watch and curse about how fast 60 seconds goes by..

And Skechers performance are a quality shoe. And I think they make clown shoe sizes so you are in bidness AJ!

When its under 30F temperature and I'm still in the first few repeats when I'm not that tired, the 2min rest seems like forever to me.

DietBacon wrote:

runrincerepeat wrote:

I stand or walk slowly and look at my watch and curse about how fast 60 seconds goes by..

And Skechers performance are a quality shoe. And I think they make clown shoe sizes so you are in bidness AJ!

When its under 30F temperature and I'm still in the first few repeats when I'm not that tired, the 2min rest seems like forever to me.

Ah the number one reason I have always done modified fartleks in the winter in northern Illinois. Repeats would be sweat, turn into an icicle, sweat, turn into a bigger icicle over and over again. Long story short. I'm a wimp in the cold.

I’m opposite. I thrive in cold and get slayed In hot weather. When I was a young man got super overheated once in the deserts of Asia. Requires 4 liters of fluid IV. Since then heat can get to me.

Cold I’m good . Did 7xmile in 29 degrees with shorts tank top gloves and beanie. And sweated. In 60 degrees I woulda been hurting.

Pappy wrote:

What Asics were they? I have knee issues too.

Asics GT 10005. 10mm drop (22-12). 10+ ounces. Super comfortable for just walking around. But too much drop for my knees. I use them on the indoor equipment now.

DB - Nice week getting back at it

Twig - I like the hill workout

stat - Hot mile!!

jewbacca - big long run workout

runn3rgirl - great 8k

Still Improving - I don't have anything for ice either, just slow down and hope that some balance from skiing carries over

Coach Jeff - your mountain cruise runs sound epic

avg_joe - 3 solid quality days

BobbyTea - Congrats on the PR. That is moving

run2death - Keep it up

WH - glad your feeling better from your cold

Flyy - nice 2x2,1 I like finishing with the 1

RunGuy - Lots of people doing 2 mi repeats. Keep it up

IngyRun - Consistent week

James - Welcome to the thread

MF Day - I might have to adopt the hill blast terminology

PutoMuido - Welcome to the thread

Hantph - good to see you back running

Thanks, You really have me thinking about switching to lower drop shoes. I'm going to send a gait analysis video into RW tonight and go from there. I've read repeatedly the lower drop shoes help with the knees. Maybe that is the way I should go. Something is definitely not right when my ankle keeps flaring up and my knees hurt.

angryjohnny wrote:

Gordon - As someone who came of age in the 90s when Skechers was just making cheap dress shoes, I simply can’t bring myself to buy their running shoes, meb’s endorsement notwithstanding.

I understand where you're coming from, but I hold no brand bias if it's comfy on my feet. I've also read a lot of good things about their new FlightGen foam apparently being the business, and it's hard to find fault in 20mm forefoot stack height under 7oz. I don't love the s logo, but what are you gonna do.

Speaking of different brands, anybody tried APL shoes? My hip 12 year old asked for some for x-mas b/c that’s what the cool kids are all wearing. I hadn’t heard of them. Price tag: $250. My response: wtf.

"WHY I PURCHASED THE SHOES INITIALLY

Because I told you I would be totally honest… I purchased these after seeing the Kardashians constantly talk about them on Snapchat"

Ok, it seems you've created a brand bias for me...

https://www.laurengleisberg.com/2017/10/shoe-review-apl-sneakers.html

The idea that standing rest results in more lactate in the legs compared with jogging rest feels incredibly counter intuitive to me and smells a bit like the "less is more" training approach. I figure that the discomfort after standing has nothing to do with waste products but rather that my legs/muscles tightened up/cooled down.

All of the brands are probably making their shoes in the same factories in southeast Asia. I doubt there are any real differences other than the different specification choices each brand makes like heel to toe drop, flex, weight, last shape, colors, etc.

Gordon Tremeshko wrote:

"WHY I PURCHASED THE SHOES INITIALLY

Because I told you I would be totally honest… I purchased these after seeing the Kardashians constantly talk about them on Snapchat"

Ok, it seems you've created a brand bias for me...

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Very helpful. This explains a lot as my daughter. Are you saying you’re biased for or against them?

The only time I used to stand around in between repeats was when the focus was on the speed or quality of the repeat itself. This would usually come at the end of the cycle. High intensity, relatively short duration bouts with passive rest should bring you very close to peaking.

Ok I have to ask your expert opinions. I had my daughter take a video of my feet while running on the treadmill last night. I can not get the file to transfer so I'll describe it to you.

My feet mostly land on the outside of my heel. Then they roll to the inside. During toe off my feet roll back to the outside where I end up going slightly to the outside of center when my foot gets back in the air. The left foot does this more than the right. Probably why my ankle hurts so much. This is also how the wear pattern on my shoes are outside of the heel outside by the toes. So what type of shoe would be best?

Pappy wrote:

Ok I have to ask your expert opinions. I had my daughter take a video of my feet while running on the treadmill last night. I can not get the file to transfer so I'll describe it to you.

My feet mostly land on the outside of my heel. Then they roll to the inside. During toe off my feet roll back to the outside where I end up going slightly to the outside of center when my foot gets back in the air. The left foot does this more than the right. Probably why my ankle hurts so much. This is also how the wear pattern on my shoes are outside of the heel outside by the toes. So what type of shoe would be best?

My first thought on hearing this is not about shoes, but about strength imbalance. Would you say your hips are equally strong, or is your left side perhaps weaker than the right side? This has been the case for me in the past, and things like side lying leg raises, single leg hip bridges, and single leg half squat/balance work has helped my feet tremendously.

But I wouldn't want to keep you from a new pair of shoes. I mean, things don't get much better than shoe shopping for new trainers. And that was not sarcastic, ha ha.

The outside heel strike and roll inward sounds like a classic over-pronation issue, one which I share. The part that sounds less familiar to me is the rolling back to the outside for toe off. I am having trouble imagining how that happens. A stability shoe lie the Mizuno Wave Inspire, the Adidas Supernova ST (I don't love them), Asics 2100 (I think), would be the conventional approach for over-pronators; but I don't know how that would work for the toe off issue.

On short fast reps, I tend to jog between reps. The recovery periods between those reps should be long enough that you can be fully recovered before the next rep even if you are jogging, and I really can't stand just standing around for 2 to 4 minutes at a time when running 200s or 400s, so I jog - plus, rep workouts tend to be so short that I like to bolster them with some junk miles. Of course, the key is that you should feel completely recovered for each rep so the duration of the recovery is much less important than the act of recovering itself (with the caveat that some rep workouts are intended to be done while feeling some fatigue, so you may have shorter recovery periods there, but even then, you should be recovered enough to maintain good form throughout the next rep).

Lmao, yeah nothing better than shoe shopping. You bring up a great point. My left leg is actually slightly shorter than the right. So of course there is some imbalance.