casual obsever wrote:
Jeff Wigand wrote:How does your experience as an athlete tell you how easy it is to get away with cheating as a top track athlete? If it's so easy, why are we talking about Sumgong today?
a) Very easy. Try to keep up. Examples are abundant.
b) Because once in a while an athlete doesn't pay attention, and/or gets too greedy/desperate. Examples are abundant.
Can you tell us how it works? Take us through your journey from a promising school athlete to PED using pro.
1.
is canova on the pay like rosa from cia /mi6.
would brother colm o connell lie to your face or is he been brother a cover too
next how does all this dope get so easily in and out of countries.
who controls the shipping , borders ,etc
2.
who is dirty .....................
with peptide like igf-1 lr3 just dont know anymore.
willis points to this stuff , speed , skinny but retains speed and how peaks, etc
what if said to you the untouchable roger federer was one of first on it.
and still working its magic at 35
the fact that you barely hear anything about this peptide ,
shouts the doings of intelligense
3.
when wada is a cover and somewhere money disappears too
tests matter little when they need to be seen to be testing in kenya
somebody gets thrown under bus.
always one step ahead to keep that money coming in .
Credit to Abbot World Marathon Majors group, who appear to be providing the backing for these types of OOC tests to be performed.
What are some of the earliest suspected cases of EPO use in marathoning? Of course the entire 90s 5K/10K history is dubious for men and women, but you don't read much about EPO use in marathoning during that time.
know i wish that you and your brother would stop deleting my posts when i hassle renato.
i wish i had saved the one where he was arguing with me telling me im and idiot. and i told him i cant wait to see him be ousted as a fraud. his time is coming soon.
unless Coe and bro's and Nike etc back up this claim that EPO doesnt work on east africans.
hey RENATO where you at? how many more will get busted and you will keep lying like an idiot? your not the smartest coach in the world, no you have just been allowed to EPO and PED your workouts to the top for 2 decades or more. let me ask how much money you make off your athletes? its never hard to find cheats if you just follow the money trail.
EPO is no more dangerous than orange juice. Level the playing field and allow EPO.
Very disappointing indeed, but not surprising. This is just the tip of the iceberg, just like professional cycling the house of cards will fall.
Too many unknown athletes running times that are hard to accept, it is getting increasingly difficult to continue to follow the sport that we all love.
Earliest EPO? wrote:
What are some of the earliest suspected cases of EPO use in marathoning? Of course the entire 90s 5K/10K history is dubious for men and women, but you don't read much about EPO use in marathoning during that time.
the Spanish and morrocans were all on it
they won a busload of major Marathons
performance gain appears to be only 2-3 minutes or so for males
Those who got away with cheating for a number of years, but were ultimately caught:
Slaney, Baumann, Mourhit, M. Jones, Gatlin, Ramzi, Kisorio, Jeptoo, Sumgong, and so on.
Those who really got away with it but were implicated one way or the other:
Carl Lewis, FloJo, M. Johnson, Radcliffe, El G, almost the whole GDR, the whole Aden group, the whole Salazar group, and so on.
Bodacious wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Rekrunner is so gullible.
It isn't gullibility.
Then what is it? Living in denial?[/quote]
Apologetics.
Were both A & B samples positive?
Mr. Obvious wrote:
Bodacious wrote:It isn't gullibility.
Then what is it? Living in denial?
Apologetics.[/quote]
Trolling.
yes im sure someone can make a graph that shows what the % or time boost for males is on EPO, its harder to track it for women because steroids gave them a much higher % boost than men in the 60-80s.
but i personally think rono was 100% clean of PEDs, not clean off of booze but i dont think that was enhancing him at all.
so if you take his times then compare it to WR's before and after the EPO days you will see the trend
13:00 flat ish is the WR for the 5k, you do blood doping you drop under, you take steroids and dope you get Said Auito. then you toss in EPO and boom big drop, so if someone can graph what they think the cleanest records should be vs the current you will see what EPO does for an athlete
13:00-12:37......23s improvement in the 5k, KB was a 13:12-20 guy before he started EPO'ing, so for him it was almost a minute improvement, but lets just say its a 20 second improvement for a 5k, thats 40 seconds on a 10k, and a marathon is approx 2:40 improvement.
KB runs a 2:05 low, now take 2:40 off that...2 min improvement.
but yeah EPO doesnt work
Do you want to rethink your position on Paula Radcliffe now?
does epo use take nearly 10 minutes off a personal best,in the marathon? i wouldnt have thought it would be THAT effective.
Here's the real story quoted in the article......"Kenya's middle and long distance success has been marred by doping cases involving elite athletes. Officials estimate the number of positive tests at about 50 in the past four years."
Once again IAAF proves itself to be corrupt and ineffectual in dealing with druggies.
How about ban the entire nation like they did to the Russians?
or
Legalize drugs?
Just do something because the status quo is not working/
At the time it was the fastest American marathon on record-eligible course. Not drivel so much as accurate.
Just wow... wrote:
Pat Peterson's Wiki page says he is a former AR holder in the marathon. That's "utter drivel". BTW, sad to read he passed away so young.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Petersen
I thought NATO was suppose to take more responsibilities in the war on terror.
Tell that to the families of the seven cyclists who died 2002-2004.
Bobby1 wrote:
EPO is no more dangerous than orange juice. Level the playing field and allow EPO.